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newbreed

08-02-04, 05:46 PM 08-02-04

Hello,
I have 2 litters right now, 1 litter was born last night from my purebred ragdoll, this litter was a accident, sinc she is a ragdoll breeding cat only. We also had a litter july 23rd from shorthaired black and white cats. I am selling the ragdoll mix litter for $150 each (possible long hairs with blue eyes) and the other litter for $50.00 each, both litters will be ready to go mid- september! Last nights litter produced 2 black with grey sriped kittens with white chests and all white paws, 1is perfectly marked, with a upside down ''v'' on its head of white the other has color on its face. There is also 2 white with almost all white on face with black patches with stripes in those patches. We also have 2 all whitish-fawn colored kittens, ragdolls are born that olor thn start to change into something lke a mitted, colorpoint or bicolor, they could also be the color seal or blue, or they could even stay this color! Thishole litter could also have ice blue eyes! The other litter is shorthaired and there are 2 tuxedo black and white cats.There is also a kitty we call ''pokey'' that is white with black spts, we also hve a grey and white spotted one! These kitties will have green or gold eyes!Tell me if your interested in one, you can send in a depoit form to hodyor kitten if you'd like! :)

Love,
Mable ;)
p.s.im located in southeastern, MA

brandy pup

08-02-04, 07:42 PM 08-02-04

newbreed

08-02-04, 08:28 PM 08-02-04

thank you :snail:

i have had litters befoe and have experience with kittys! I breed Ragdolls and i may be creating a new breed of cat for show exhibitors. ;)

Padfoot

08-03-04, 06:21 PM 08-03-04

So you are selling cats that you could find in a shelter and rescue... Those are "mutt" cats...

newbreed

08-03-04, 06:47 PM 08-03-04

So you are selling cats that you could find in a shelter and rescue... Those are "mutt" cats...
:rolleyes: Well i guess you oviously arn't that in touch with your cat facts... have you not noticed EVERY breed of cat is made up of more then one breed? Its just a matter of getting ''your'' breed recognized. These are deffinatly not shelter cats, they were raised better and just as good quality. Im a registered breeder with TICA for your info. Thank You..... :)

KTS CAVIES

08-03-04, 06:49 PM 08-03-04

Do you spay and neuter the kittens?
Do you have pedigrees for them?
Are your cats finished?

We do not need "new breeds" of cats, there are millions of homesless purebreds and mutts without homes. Your "accidental" litters are just adding to this problem. Millions of cats are killed each year, believe it or not, yours will be some of them.

KTS CAVIES

08-03-04, 06:52 PM 08-03-04

These are deffinatly not shelter cats, they were raised better and just as good quality

Every reputable breeder (you DO know what reputable is right?) is involved in rescue somehow. What makes you think your cats are better then the MILLIONS in shelters?

KTS CAVIES

08-03-04, 06:54 PM 08-03-04

What's your cattery name? If your real name is Mable, than you are not listed with TICA's catteries.

newbreed

08-03-04, 08:16 PM 08-03-04

Miss ''know it all''-
I am sorry you are so close minded as to why people breed cats, im offended at your horrible comments because you have no idea how hard i work.. we all have different opinions, so et mie go,yo brought this upon yourself! :eek:

brandy pup

08-03-04, 08:54 PM 08-03-04

brandy pup

08-03-04, 08:55 PM 08-03-04

Please also note this is a rescue adoption forum, not a breeder clasisifed section.

newbreed

08-04-04, 08:25 AM 08-04-04

i am sorry then, but i'd like you guys to know i do a lot for shelter animals!

KTS CAVIES

08-04-04, 11:50 AM 08-04-04

but i'd like you guys to know i do a lot for shelter animals!

Really? What do you do for them? You aren't helping them by irresponsibly bringing more cats into this world. You never answered my question, what is your cattery name? Do you spay and neuter all the kittens? Are your cats finished?

Padfoot

08-04-04, 06:14 PM 08-04-04

:rolleyes: Well i guess you oviously arn't that in touch with your cat facts... have you not noticed EVERY breed of cat is made up of more then one breed? Its just a matter of getting ''your'' breed recognized. These are deffinatly not shelter cats, they were raised better and just as good quality. Im a registered breeder with TICA for your info. Thank You..... :)

Of course I'm not in touch with my cat facts as you are... I'm not really a cat person... BUT... of course EVERY breed of cat is made up of more than one breeds.. that's how breeds in any animal are originated... Barbado lambs come from Barbados blackbelly, Roumboullet and Mouflon, Nubian goats come from mixing Alpine goats with goats that orignate in India and Africa, Jack Russell terriers come from Fox terriers.. American Staffordshire terriers come from American Pit Bull Terriers...
Even though this sounds like breeds are really mixes from other breeds, that is not true... they started this way, but it took a lot of generations of the animals to make them a breed. To be a separate breed, it needs to show some specific characteristics, have an specific temperament, and if you cross two of the breed, they should be consistent in the appearance of the litter... If you cross 2 of your kittens, you'll most likely not have a consistency and have some that look more like a ragdoll and some that look more like the dad (which you didn't stated the breed..)
That you are registered with an organization doesn't means much about the quality of your kittens. I checked the application to register and it says you need certain amount of money (depending on the kind of registration) , a name for your cattery, and the breed you want to be listed in... The fact that you let an accidental litter occur shows how reputable you are as a breeder... I insist that those are mutt cats..

brandy pup

08-05-04, 02:13 PM 08-05-04

Of course I'm not in touch with my cat facts as you are... I'm not really a cat person... BUT... of course EVERY breed of cat is made up of more than one breeds.. that's how breeds in any animal are originated... Barbado lambs come from Barbados blackbelly, Roumboullet and Mouflon, Nubian goats come from mixing Alpine goats with goats that orignate in India and Africa, Jack Russell terriers come from Fox terriers.. American Staffordshire terriers come from American Pit Bull Terriers...
Even though this sounds like breeds are really mixes from other breeds, that is not true... they started this way, but it took a lot of generations of the animals to make them a breed. To be a separate breed, it needs to show some specific characteristics, have an specific temperament, and if you cross two of the breed, they should be consistent in the appearance of the litter... If you cross 2 of your kittens, you'll most likely not have a consistency and have some that look more like a ragdoll and some that look more like the dad (which you didn't stated the breed..)
That you are registered with an organization doesn't means much about the quality of your kittens. I checked the application to register and it says you need certain amount of money (depending on the kind of registration) , a name for your cattery, and the breed you want to be listed in... The fact that you let an accidental litter occur shows how reputable you are as a breeder... I insist that those are mutt cats..

Great post padfoot.

andreaS15

08-05-04, 03:27 PM 08-05-04

Just one
http://www.tulsa-animalshelter.com/just1litter.htm
I don't buy into that garbage, not when there are so many dying. If you love the breed that is wonderful but byb are a dime a dozen what this world needs is a repsonsible breeder and I only can hope that is what you will someday try to be. POsting your cats on a message board is not reposnible. Period.

Great Link Brandy pup!

I have to agree with everyone so far. I'm sure you love breeding kitties and all, But as that link clearley points out, one more kitty is 83 more kitties. I like to see it as every Kitty/Puppy born whether pure bred or not, is a death sentance for another 2 puppies or kitties in a shelter.
By saying this litter was an "accident" & by breeding "cats" no breed specific, just a plain ol American Short Hair Cats, you have just showen us you are not a responcible breeder.

Kitties are great and I'm sure you give them a loving home, But you can't babysit them at there next home nor stop the kitties at the shelters from being killed because there is now one less home for them now that you have placed a family to one of your kittens.

I'm pretty sure everyone jumping up and screaming won't change your mind (Though I really hope it would), I just hope you can make sure all your kitties and spayed & neutered BEFORE you place them with a new family, and that you have no more "accidental" litters.

mckenzie84

08-08-04, 08:30 PM 08-08-04

Sorry to barge in so late, but I do have a question. you breed ragdoll cats, correct? How long do you keep the kittens with the mother? Unless I am wrong and so is every other ragdoll cat breeder I know (I don't breed cats), the kittens stay with their mother ALOT longer than 4,8, or even 12 weeks. And I hope you d'nt expect that ragdoll mother to EVER produce pure bred ragdoll kittens again. Unless I am wrong, since she has been accidentaly bred with some unknown tom cat, she will never produce purebreds again. I've been told by cat and dog breeders that they never let their female even get near another tom cat who isnt the "correct" breed because the sperm from the unknown tom cat stays in the female and so she will never produce purebreds again.
I am a cat person myself. I have one cat who is half scottish fold and half manx. no I didnt get him because of his breed. I got him because I absolutely loved his personality. If I would have been going by looks I would have brought home his sister. also if I hadnt have brought home Shadow he would have been another stray. He was fixed as early as I possibly could and we are getting a second cat who is a female out of a shelter. She will go from the shelter to the vet's office to be fixed and then she will come home. I agree with the other people here about bringing in more animals to this world. I used to breed hamsters but for several reasons I have stopped. One of the reasons is health reasons, the other and the biggest reason is because once I buy my own house I want to start a rescue organization for small animals. I am already checking into the funding and everything.
One more thing, this is a site for people who love animals and care for the well being of their animals. I care for my animals and even though I don't want to give up some of my "babies" I know thats what is best because right now I am unable to care for all the hamsters that I have. But if I have to, I will care for every one of them as long as they live the best I can. And if I even told you what was wrong with me you would say that I was wrong and that I shouldnt be looking for homes for them. But since I can hardly even stand yet alon walk to the bathroom I know that I can't clean all the cages and handle them every single day as much as they deserve, although I do my best. And youre probably wondering how if I can hardly care for the hamsters right now the how am I going to care for pets later. Simple, I will be going to see a dr soon and I am getting put on a treatment. Once I am able to gain about 20-30 pounds then I will be back to my normal self. but as for now, being underweight by over 30 pounds is taking its toll me really bad.

Ok, I'm done now. Have a nice day and I pray and hope those kittens find good loving homes that won't throw them into a shelter

Padfoot

08-08-04, 10:31 PM 08-08-04

And I hope you d'nt expect that ragdoll mother to EVER produce pure bred ragdoll kittens again. Unless I am wrong, since she has been accidentaly bred with some unknown tom cat, she will never produce purebreds again. I've been told by cat and dog breeders that they never let their female even get near another tom cat who isnt the "correct" breed because the sperm from the unknown tom cat stays in the female and so she will never produce purebreds again.

Sperm cells are really fragile, and the conditions in the females reproductive sistem are really harsh for them, most of them die even before reaching the egg. In mammals (or at least in domestic mammals) sperm doesn't stays till a next heat (after a pregnancy). I'm not sure if this is true about rabbits, but I think that in rabbits, the female can stop the growth of an embryo till the conditions are favorable rather than keep sperm cells in their sistem. I think that chickens and some reptiles can keep sperm for some time, but not for the rest of their lives. I can't remember how much time is it, as I'm really bad remembering numbers...
I think that breeders keep their females away from a male from the incorrect breed (or for ANY male, for that matter) because a responsible breeder works hard to better the breed, and they carefully plan their matings, using just the female and male with the best qualities in all aspects regarding the breed. Having the wrong male mate their female would mean throwing lots of hard work (and money) down the drain.

BreederOFRags

12-24-04, 09:39 AM 12-24-04

Yes,
I think this is crazy, to breed a papered ragdoll to just any cat. You are wrecking this breed. Do these paperless half breeds go an altered? I bet they will or do not get altered. I have heard of you.. you are Mable roberts of Willowtree ragdolls and you are only 13 years old. I curantly show ragdolls and have heard a great deal of you in my town of NY . With all the homeless cats and road KILL this is very nasty to do . and don't think that you are trying to make a NEW BREED! you need thousands of breeders to help you make a new breed reconised!!! plus you need paperd cats to make a new breed if not, its not likely !

mangokiss

12-24-04, 10:40 PM 12-24-04

I get so sick of people jumping on their holier than thou "I'm a better animal care giver" HIGH HORSE. How about we jump off of it guys and GALS? Just because someone breeds mutts does not mean they have bad intention for animals. Pomapoos, Pekapoos, etc. etc.. are all being bred and they are in demand, regardless of being mutt. It goes both ways, but maybe if people were more responsible about the pets they choose to buy they wouldnt have to be re-homed so often. Now I'm not condoning anything one way or another, but simply making a statement. There's a nice, respectful and FIRM way to come across to people rather than the snide, snotty and rather immature approach that too often everyone takes. No one wants to listen when someone is being "preachy" with rude undertones.

brandy pup

12-25-04, 06:22 PM 12-25-04

Anyone breeding mutts is irresponsible and only thinking of themselves. Not one responsible breeder breeds for the supply and demad attitude, that is only the greedy, to lazy to do it correctly irresponsible byb's.

It's the ones that clean up their mess that are your so called hollier then thou people and yes, saving these aniamls from death when we can makes us irritable, grouchy and very unpleasant to people who litter the shelters and streets with their irresponsible behavior. So no I nor any person in their right mind will 'get off it'

Merry Christmas how many died in your shelter today? Holidays dont take time off for the surpluss. Many pets died today for a lack of homes. It's not fun watching them die. Try it someday and see how you feel.

mangokiss

12-25-04, 08:15 PM 12-25-04

I have tried it, and I do know what it's like to see. I have worked within a shelter, etc. What I'm saying is -- not a holier than thou attitude in regards to knowing about animals, but a holier than thou attitude in general, and as if the informed are "god-like". See again.. your comment is an excellent example: "try it sometime, yadda yadda"..."try it sometime" being the keyword, to assuming I am not knowledgeable about it, but then again..proving that you are. Also, in regards to my "them being in demand" comment. Like I said throughout my post, I don't condone anything -- but point was that many people do seek mutts. Animals will end up in the shelter regardless of being full bred or not.

BreederOFRags

12-25-04, 09:41 PM 12-25-04

No Idiot It Means That They Are Dumb!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11

tuftypaws

12-26-04, 09:23 AM 12-26-04

Mable is 14 0r 15 years old. She is breeding Ragdolls to any thing, so end result is not a pure Ragdoll. She is ruining the Ragdoll name by her breeding practices. Anyone can register in TICA,you just fill out a form and send it in.So that doesn't mean anything. She will be reported to to TICA and other Mass. agencies as she is a minor and working with her Mother. Do not buy from her if you want a REAL RAGDOLL .She thinking she can come up with a new breed is rediculius and it can never happen as she doesnt know what she is doing..

tuftypaws

12-26-04, 06:35 PM 12-26-04

All the Ragdoll breeders are aware of mable and her practices.. She bred her female 3 times a year!! This is not responsible breeding. It is a shame for her female to be treated like this..Her cats should be confiscated and closed down

Babyblue

12-26-04, 09:12 PM 12-26-04

I don't know much about breeding cats, but I do love Ragdolls and have a wonderful purebred Ragdoll boy myself (found him on Petfinder!). Just the thought of a so called breeder breeding "Ragdoll mixes", and breeding what is practically "mutts" to create "new breed" of cats however is very disturbing to me. Even if you did not consider all the wonderful cats of ALL BREEDS in shelters and rescues, just the simple breeding ethics should make it pretty clear that mixing breeds is not in the best interest of the animals.

Just because certain "designer breeds" are in more demand now does not make it alright for any 'ol "breeders" (using this term very loosely) go ahead and start mixing breeds, claiming to "create a new breed". Besides, I thought the real breeding ethics were not just about providing what the public wanted or what is "popular", but to better the breed and in a long run improve the animals health and temperament.

Soleil

12-26-04, 09:23 PM 12-26-04

What's your cattery name? If your real name is Mable, than you are not listed with TICA's catteries.

While I am not defending the idea that you are 'creating' a new breed, as I think that it is morally reprehensible.
KTS: You should 'dig' a little further in your quest for 'dirt'. You apparent need to prove her wrong, and unclothe her as a 'fake' failed. Her cattery is 'WillowTreeRags'
WillowTreeRags (http://www.geocities.com/willowtreeragdolls/home.html)
But it seems to me that all that is necessary to have your website and/or email listed is to fill out a form. How does this constitue a TICA registration. And if it, in fact, does then how is it reputable?

And I hope that those reading this DO NOT think that my posting of this website means that I advocate the breeding of animals for profit AT ALL. You can find a Ragdoll, a Sph, a Siamese, a Maine Coon, etc... at any shelter, as long as you are patient.

S.

loversrock

05-08-05, 11:35 AM 05-08-05

Why do idiots come on this site to post rude pointless comments. THERE WILL ALWAYS BE HOMELESS KITTENS. HOMELESS CATS ARE MAKING HOMELESS KITTENS. ITS NOT GOING TO STOP NO MATTER WHAT YOU DO. ITS HAPPENING TO PEOPLE TOO...so...go cry. Sure we can help but we can't change a natural thing. Animals weren't MEANT to live in our homes, we just chose to take them. Cats aren't useless, unless handicap...they can do things on their own.

Jennicat

05-08-05, 06:27 PM 05-08-05

Lover's Rock, that makes no sense. Basically, you're saying there's a problem, so no one should try to do anything about it?

"OMG, PEOPLE WILL ALWAYS DRIVE DRUNK, SO WE SHOULD NOT MAKE LAWS OR EDUCATE PEOPLE OR TELL THEM ANYTHING BECAUSE IT WILL ALWAYS HAPPEN"?

BreederOFRags

05-15-05, 08:55 PM 05-15-05

Hi,
We can stop cats from ending up in shelters and on the streets if we spay and neuter our kittens. And if breeders have strict altering contracts or alter them before going to new homes. I don't agree with loversrock. I think you are Mable also. The sad part is I just heard a story where some teens tied a white cat to the back of there car and drove 60 miles an hour this poor cat was killed. This was on Friday the 13th a few days ago.. It was someones pet!! and soon enough in WI they may make it legal to hunt cats!!! DONT let your cats roam outdoors. I love all cats half breeds or pedigree but no matter what they all should be able to get homes and I think its wrong to breed a cat unless you have homes already picked out .

BreederOFRags

05-15-05, 08:58 PM 05-15-05

One more thing.. soon enough a breeder who does wrong by breeding cats and kittens that get no homes is going to hate thereself when they have to end up driving to the shelter!

teebos69

05-16-05, 05:57 PM 05-16-05

what the heck is going on in here.arent there any moderaters to stop this arguing over cats.

teebos69

05-18-05, 08:32 PM 05-18-05

i want to make it clear ,that i did not breed these cats.the mother was a barn cat that i took in along with the kittens or they would have became feral,and more breeding would have went on,i just hope i can adopt them out to loving cat people,who will keep them for the rest of their lives.

teebos69

05-18-05, 08:34 PM 05-18-05

i am so sorry, i put this in the wrong place.it belongs in bobtail mix kittens for adoption. .

see myself fade

09-17-05, 07:10 PM 09-17-05

do you have pictures? will the kittens be fixed? if so please e-mail me,
> having_fun_with_fire@yahoo.com
thankyou

Jennicat

09-17-05, 07:42 PM 09-17-05

The original thread was posted over a year ago, I don't think they quality as "kittens" anymore.