weird noises from hammie help plz

[2 female syrian]

k guys today my hamster made a weird noise it was like moaning in its sleep any 1 have an idea and plzz read my other forum :confused: im worried my hamster is moaning from pain of wet tail but ude have to read other short forum to just my parts.....

[LilWurm]

Does your hammie have Wet Tail Disease?

The symptoms are matted or wet fur around the tail, loose diarrhea and a prolapsed rectum.

If your hammie does have this disease, you need to see your vet IMMEDIATELY. If you fail to do so, your hammie will certainly die in a matter of days.

I hope everything gets better.

[2 female syrian]

idunno read the other thread i posted i think one has wet tail and wats prolapsed mean?

[LilWurm]

Prolapsed means it has fallen from its normal position. I'll read the other thread if I can find it.

[LilWurm]

It sounds like Wet Tail to me and you NEED to take your hammie to the vet NOW or give it to someone who can.

If no one can, your hammie is certainly going to die.

I cannot stress this enough ... GET IT TO THE VET NOW!!!

I don't care how you do it or how you pay for it, just do it.

[2 female syrian]

kinda pushy u are but i know i need to get it to the vet but they want 20$/hr. to watch it and study it and to give it what ever it needs i no even hav 1 dollar so i really just need a powerful otc if u know of any :confused:

[Revenge]

Sounds like pregencie

[jennawing]

I am sorry that you are not getting the answer that you want on this post or the other- but the truth has been given to you- if you cannot care for a pet in ALL ways, you should not get a pet. The life of this hamster is your responsibility and its death will be your responsibility if you do not do what needs to be done to help it.

[Revenge]

I have one thing to say to you GET A JOB

[LilWurm]

I am telling you flat out that you need to go to your vet. There is nothing over-the-counter that will save your hamster.

Tell your mom or dad or grandma or whomever that your hamster is going to die if no one pays the vet bill. If you don't take it tonight, it will probably be dead by tomorrow night or the next morning.

I am pushy because you seem to not understand that this needs to be done. We keep telling you that there are no over-the-counter meds for your hamster's condition, just like there are no over-the-counter meds for cancer. The vet has to do it, so if you don't take your hamster to the vet, it is surely going to die and I suppose you will simply have to suck it up and accept it if you are going to sit back and do nothing.

[2 female syrian]

my hamster is doing much beter and is running around the room quite
contentley seems to be enjoying itself and its tail is dry now little blue stuffs on the skin but thats it .IT doesnt smell at all and it sleeps all day
all i did was buy dri tail and then figured out that it supposedly doesnt work at all just makes it worse but my studies say otherwise.Just in case i stoped feeding medicine

[jennawing]

As it's been said before, Dri-tail will make the diarrhea go away, but that does not mean the hamster is well. I hope you can live with yourself when you have to dig a grave for that poor thing tomorrow.

[2 female syrian]

its still aliveand running literally

[LilWurm]

Then what you had probably wasn't Wet Tail Disease. May have been some hammie flu.

[kaleighkaleigh]

you know, jennawing, you dont have to make her feel like sh*t by saying that you hope she can live with herself when she's digging its grave.....thats not very supportive,now is it?

[LilWurm]

We aren't supportive of people who get animals they cannot take care of. I do not condone that at all and will never support it.

I'm all with jennawing on this one.

[2 female syrian]

im a GUY u stupid ppl read my profile before u asosiate genders

[LilWurm]

Said like a natural-born 2 year old! Way to go!

You don't have to resort to calling people stoopid, just correct them. Goodness, you guys are feisty around here.

[jennawing]

Lilwurm is a very smart person.

[kaleighkaleigh]

well maybe she cannot afford the vet bill.....maybe her parents dont think its worthwhile to bring an animal like a hamster to the vets....I know my parents dont.....She obviously feels bad enough if she posted something about it....a bad owner wouldnt care what happened to it, but she obviously does....i dont like it when a person gets an animal without being able to take care of it, but thats life...it happens....but making people feel like sh*t over something they have no control over is ignorant.

[Revenge]

Two words to her agian read to an old lady for a job

[LilWurm]

ANY animal is worth the vet bill. I don't care if it's your pet cockroach! Take it to the vet if it's sick!

It's like saying, "Grandma's dying, but we're not going to take her to the doctor because she's going to die anyway so it's not worth spending the money." I mean, come on, would you EVER say that about your grandma? I doubt it. Your hamster, or cockroach, or hermit crab, or cavy is no less important than your grandmother.

This being so, you can take the animal to the vet and pay the bill in pieces. Vets are humans and they know not everyone has tons of money at one time and they would probably be more than willing to work out something with you. They care about the animal's health! They want you to bring it in and they will work with you to think of a payment plan to help your animal feel better.

OR, you can take it to the vet and say that the animal is sick and you can't pay the bill and they'll take it to a shelter and someone else will pay the bill. If you can't take care of it, might as well give it up until you can!

[Revenge]

Get A Job If Your Poor Give Your Animals There Own Medical Accounts Hell I Don"t Care If The Spcsa Comes After You

[Revenge]

GET A JOB IF YOUR POOR GIVE YOUR ANIMALS THERE OWN MEDICAL ACCOUNTS HELL I DON"T CARE IF THE SPCSA COMES AFTER YOU sorry about that had to say something

[Revenge]

GET A JOB IF YOUR POOR GIVE YOUR ANIMALS THERE OWN MEDICAL ACCOUNTS HELL I DON"T CARE IF THE SPCSA COMES AFTER YOU sorry about that had to say something

[sweetmommie]

OK.....I am sorry but to compare a hamster to a Human.that is insane! First of all, you tell me something.If your grandmother and your hamster were both Ill.which one would you get TREATED FIRST if finances were a problem for you! Second of all, like kaleigh said At least this person cares enough about his hamster to want to gain some knowledge of what is going on with it! I love my hamster dearly Dont get me wrong, but the Fact is.Hamsters DONOT have a long life expectancy as it is....and you are so DEAD WRONG in saying that vets will take payments in pieces. My sister's dog was hit by a car, and I called and called every vetenarian around. The Animal hospital wouldnt even take a payment plan, luckly we found a VET that was pretty inexspensive and treated my sisters dog for a low cost. Now you tell me one thing.They wanted over $300.00 just for x-rays, another$150.00 for the office visit and sedative, and then whatever work that had to be done after the x-rays. So now your talking $450.00 just for the 2 I mentioned not including the other costs they wanted up front! That is for a dog I understand there is a difference, but the same goes for a hamster, gerbil, rabbit, any of them. The cost is not Cheap, and for some people in this world money doesent come as EASY as it may to you.Doesent mean they dont care or love there pets!!!!!!!! So why dont you stop being so darn judgmental on someone you dont know! And for you Revenge maybe this person has a job, but maybe this person has a family to support as well, and Whether you know it or Not TIMES ARE TOUGH KID...and again money doesent just grow on trees.its not always that easy to come by!!!

[LilWurm]

Money does not come easily to me, believe it or not.

I work my tail-end off for crap pay day after day. My mom doesn't make that much, either. My fiance is usually helping me with some costs that I come by that I need help with.

Money can be found, you just have to look hard enough. Of course you'll never get your hands on it if you never get off your butt and look. Money doesn't just fall in your lap. Unfortunately.

I am well aware of how hard money is to come by. I live in a trailer park. I know perfectly well. My cages are mostly hand-me-downs. The only reason I have the capability to support these animals the way I do is because I have nothing else to spend $150 on every week. But that's all I make.

I understand that this person does not have the money. The point I'm trying to make is ... if you can't support the animal in every aspect, don't purchase it to begin with. This is only my opinion, and you are entitled to disagree. But this is a strong belief of mine. Too many animals die every day because of careless owners who do not get the animals the proper care they need.

Syrian did ask for our advice, and we gave it. Our advice was to give it to people who can can take care of it. Or even ask for help to get the bill paid.

I am sorry about your dog's unfortunate accident.

I am not as cold-hearted as you think. I just firmly believe that you do not deserve an animal that you cannot take care of.

But as far as I know now, Syrian said the hamster was fine the other day. Like I said, may have been nothing at all. I think he just got paranoid and it made him think it was worse than it actually was. And it's good to be worried about your animal. That's a great thing.

As long as it's okay now, my nagging is finished.

[LilWurm]

And I never ... NEVER said that Syrian does not care about his hamster. Read CAREFULLY and do not put words in anyone's mouth here.

[sweetmommie]

First of all I never said you said he didnt care for his pet I said just because a person cant afford a vet bill does not mean they dont love and care for there pet! It is just a point not putting words in someone's mouth. And second and lastly, I am glad that you know how difficult times can be...... it is a struggle, and YES I do agree with you that if a person cannot afford a pet in every aspect of owning a pet, then NO you should NOT get one.I whole heartedly agree with that, butpeople shouldnt be made to feel like pieces of crap and be told they are pretty much responsible for the death of there pet while digging there grave.That was Heartless and insensitive, and there might come a day when something is out of your control ,you would feel absolutly horrible if someone told you that you something like that. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but why does it have to be so harsh.thats all I am trying to say. Isnt this world cruel enough already without adding insult to injury??

[kaleighkaleigh]

I agree with sweetmommie 100%....and about 2 Female Syrian getting a job, he's 13.....where in Canada or the US is a 13 year old kid allowed to work legally??

[jennawing]

The point being missed here- if you truly cared for a pet- you would take all things into consideration before putting it in a situation where it will not get the best care. Before you are responsible for another life, you must make the decision to sacrifice what you want and even often need to maintain that life properly.

My main problem with Syrian is something that happens way too often- people ask for advice, they don't like what they are told- and then their pet miraculously recovers. We can never know for sure- and in his particular case, he is stating there are no more signs of wettail- AFTER he was told repeatedly that the dritail crap he was giving it was going to mask the symptoms. ANd it is miraculously cured? PLease.

In addition to this, he is going around preaching the value of dritail medicine- when even Petco itself has finally admitted it is trash- and he is going around preaching that his hamsters live together in peace- that all syrians can live in peace- THEY ARE BABIES! He just got them from the petstore!

I cannot tolerate willful ignorance. Why do people not research and plan before taking on a new pet? Why do they not take all tings into consideration- INCLUDING vet costs- or even if they have a vet in their area that will see their species of pet?

Playing at pet-keeping is bad enough- but refusing to be educated because of your own arrogance is unforgiveable.

[kaleighkaleigh]

well seeing as the kid is 13 years old....maybe it was his parents that got it for him

[dee23]

well maybe his parents should pay for the vets then , before you say it yes i know money dont grow on trees but i would do any thing to help my pets
i cant see how any one can leave a animal in pain they do have feelings to

[sweetmommie]

I agree with that, I would do anything I could to help my pets as well, but just as kaliegh said, the boy is 13 yrs of age, and maybe JUST MAYBE, his parents dont think his hamster is worth the money.some people dont have the heart and consideration as some of us do......and at 13 yrs old, there really is no way he is going to get that type of money in time to save his pet, even by doing odd jobs. I just dont think the harsh words that were said to him were necessary. Again, the boy is 13 yrs old, Would it make you feel any good at that age when it is really out of your control??? And yes I agree with the other posters on here that said he shouldnt come on these boards praising and promoting Dri-tail for something that is only a mask not a healer, but maybe he felt that with all the negative comments he was given maybe it would be easier just to say "my hammie is doing so much better", he is a kid and we were all that young at one time , we would say things sometimes just to make the situation better. Let's keep that in mind. He came here seeking advice and was given nothing but negativity,So please dont preach to me about what is right and wrong, I know the difference, but give the kid some sympathy, I am sure if he could get his hammie to the vet he would, but most likely his parents are against it!

[dee23]

he could try and phone some vets up and tell them his problem , you never know he might find a good vet that has a heart . when my dog was ill we couldnt pay for the vet the vet was very kind to use and told us to bring her down , our rspca said they would pay but on the way down to the vets she passed away in my mums arms the vets said it was old age she died off they didnt charge us and rspca paid for her to be cermated . it shows you there are some nice vets out there
good luck with your hamster

[sweetmommie]

Thank you Dee, I am hoping my hammie still has some good days left ahead of him, but on the other topic, Again, this boy is 13 yrs old, I am sure first of that he hasnt a clue what it is he needs to say to these vets to make them realize the Urgency, and second: it would be a decision on his parents part to do the calling, since this little boy is a moinor and cannot make his own deciions. Last but not least, not knowing where this little boy is from, someone would need to drive him to the Vet.I know I would NEVER Allow my 13 yr old child, to go somewhere unattented if it is a distance from Home, so again lets not Blame this kid for asking for Help, Rather put the Blame on the Adults for not helping this kid with this problem. That is our responsibilty as an adult, not the child.

[dee23]

i am not saying any thing bad about this kid i am just trying to help him i wish him all the best for him and his hamster .
also i hope for the best for you hammy he sounds like a sweet hammy

[kaleighkaleigh]

I agree with sweetmommie....I'm sure there are alot of parents out there that think that hamsters are 'disposable' pets and arent worth the hundreds of dollars it would cost to get him help.....and about him preaching about Dritail, maybe he doesnt know that it just masks the symptoms....all he cares about is that his hammie looks like he's doing all right....give the kid a break.

[dee23]

well then the parents are bad for getting him the hamster if they dont want to pay for vet bills. its not fair on the hamster or the child

[sweetmommie]

Exactly Dee...His parents are the blame if that little boy's hamster dies.it should be them feeling responsible while digging it's grave. And I apologise for maybe sounding harsh in some of the past posts about this, but this is a Kid for Heaven's sake, he did what he thought was right by posting here to try and get help, and again all he recieved was negativity. That was very unfair to that little boy thats all I was trying to point out.

[LilWurm]

Because the situation is negative is why he si getting such negative comments.

It does not matter to me who is to blame. He is just a kid, I agree, but even kids can put their foot down every once in a while.

And good vets are not extinct. Just because SOME people (*cough* *cough*) cannot find a good vet near them, does not mean they cannot be found elsewhere. As we have been shown this.

Anyone saying "It's just a hamster", should be shot on site in my opinion.

Yes, it costs a lot of money to fix whatever is wrong, but if you really care about your pet (whether it cost you $5 or $500), you will get it the proper care needed to help it live a long, healthy life.

So maybe this child should wait until he can pay for his own pets before he gets another, because his parents are obviously doing nothing and that isn't fair to the animal.

For the time being kid, volunteer at your local animal shelter.

[sweetmommie]

First of all with your cough, cough, I dont have a problem finding a good VET, NOR DO I have any financial troubles to do so!!So if your (*Cough* Cough*) was directed towards me, well then you are obviously barkin up the wrong Tree! Secondly, I find it Quite hard to believe you care for your pets the way you say you do only because you LACK any sort of compassion towards HUMANS. If you cant treat a Human with any type of RESPECT.then tell me how can you treat an animal with any RESPECT! And Volunteer at a Animal Shelter @13 First of all he is still to young to do volunteer work, Not even old enough for working papers(WHICH U NEED TO DO VOLUNTEER work) and How do you suppose he gets there, OBVIOUSLY this kids parents aren't very responsible parents.And Please do not tell me that this kid can Ride a bike or take a bus, or walk by himself @13 yrs of age, because if you do say that then you are obviously not a responsible adult yourself! Now with further abdue....Let me finish by saying ....This is NOT this little boys Fault, it is the FAULT of THE PARENTS if something happens to this hamster......Think about it...or maybe you are just a kid yourself and think you have all the answers!!!!

[kaleighkaleigh]

Ok, we keep fighting over the same things here.....but i do have some more things to say......
volunteer at a shelter??? Well, the shelter in my town is about 20 minutes out of town.....and thats by car.....theres no way a kid would be able to walk or bike there.....and its open week days, and closes at 3:30.....and I am hoping that during this time, the kid is in school.....and that his parents are working....do you honestly think this kid is capable of everything? He's not.....and I agree with what sweetmommie said about finding it hard to believe that you care about your pets when you dont even have compassion for a 13 year old boy.

[LilWurm]

You simply made it sound like there was no such thing as sympathetic vets ... which in that instance ... YOU were the wrong one.

And where do you get that I don't respect the kid? I simply made my own opinion clear by stating that maybe he should give his hammie to someone else who can take care of it better. By no means did I blame him, or disrespect him.

In some ways, I am still a child. I think you have a misconception that I am older, but I am only 16 years of age. I'm not even a legal adult. Typically, I act older than I am ... but that is from never having friends my own age. I hang out with my mom's friends. But that does not change the fact that I am still young and have a lot to learn. And so do you, obviously.

No, I don't believe he can go out by himself. I don't know what his parents are like, and it is none of my business. My fiance's little brother is 11, so I have decent insight on what a 13 year-old is like.

I never said the kid did not care and I do not think that at all, and I apologize deeply if that is what I have made everyone believe. I believe he cares, but I know the obvious ... he cannot support the pet he has obtained. I simply suggested he give it to someone else. Maybe to a friend or someone where he can still go see it and play with it and such, but with someone who can pay the bills.

I don't get why everyone is getting so angry at me. I simply made my suggestion, and then I got attacked. It's okay if you disagree with me, but there isn't any need for the hostility.

And you obviously are just as much a child as me, my dear, if you feel the need to get hostile over something so incredibly silly. The kid can do what he wants, as far as I am concerned. I simply put out my advice (which he did ask for ... though not mine, specifically), and if he no longer wants my advice, he can tell me so and I will never bug him ever again.

I just wanted him to understand that he should not have a pet that won't be taken care of. I understand that he wants the pet and really loves it, but he should think about waiting for a few years until he is able to get a job and pay for his pets by himself. Since you all seem to have deducted that his parents are at fault, then it seems wise to me that he get pets HE can support because mommy and daddy apparently aren't going to do it.

He understands that the hamster is just as important as any human, and really wants to help it. That's good, and I get that. But all I said was that he needs to give it to someone who is willing to pay the vet, and get his own hamsters when he can do it all by himself.

I'm sure I'll get yelled at for this post, too, but understand that I am only stating my opinion and by no means does he have to listen to me or follow the advice I gave him. I simply answered his question the best I could.


Please ... stop ... attacking me.

[sweetmommie]

Look, I said before that I completly agree with you when you say "If you cannot afford a pet in every aspect of owning a pet, then dont get one, or give it to someone who can"!!!! Great..I hope now that part is settled! My point that I am trying to make and Hopefully this time there will be some understanding is........" HE IS 13 YRS.OLD.....Give him a break....He tried to get advice.the rest is out of his hands...IT'S UP TO HIS PARENTS TO GET THE PROPE MEDICAL ATTENTION this hamster needs o.k. ! No seriously do you get what I am trying to say! Yes i know he asked for your advice, you gave him your opinion.which quite honestly in the beginning was Great advice, but somewhere around the 3rd or 4th post,it became harsh. I commend you for all you do to keep your pets happy, healthy and loved, as everyone should when they own a pet, but please give this kid a break, no-one needed to make him feel any worse than he had already been feeling. It was cruel and insensitive you must admit!

[LilWurm]

If you say so. If I was harsh, I was harsh. I can't take it back now. I tend to be that way because it seems the point never gets across until you do.

And please quit reminding me that he's 13. He isn't helpless. He did call all of you stoopid idiots. He seems to be just as harsh, might as well give the brat a taste of his own medicine.

As far as my opinion goes, I think you all get the jist and this case is closed. The kid is free to do as he pleases, and good luck to him. Hope his hammie doesn't die, but there's no promise, and if this doesn't kill it old age or something else entirely, will.

No, I am not blaming him in any way and whatever is up with his parents isn't any of my business and I will lay no judgement upon them for he has not spoken of them. If he were to confirm your conviction,then so be it. The parents are it. But I believe there are other ways to get the money. Does he have no grandparents? Aunts? Uncles? There has to be someone who can help him.

If there isn't, then I guess this little hammie is S.O.L. and I hope it dies peacefully for I am certain it will for whatever reason (not necessarily this "Wet Tail" ordeal).

Good luck to the boy and his hammie. The fighting is finished over here. I can do plenty of it with my fiance when I please and would rather keep it to a minimum on the boards.

I joined to give and receive advice. Not to fight over a 13 year old kid and his hamster. What he does is not of my concern, and I will leave it to him to decide what is right.

I remember being 13, that was only 3 years ago for me. And I recall hating it when people said I couldn't think for myself. Just because he is not yet old enough to get a job, does not mean he can't make his own decisions. So please don't try to handicap him with your words. That isn't fair.

And whomever thinks I do not take care of my animals, think what you will. I believe that I take care of my animals quite well, but of course my opinion is biased for it is of myself, so no one has any need to believe me.

I think I'm finished now.

[kaleighkaleigh]

all i can say is 'thank god!'

[LilWurm]

Hardy har har.

Are we done now? May we all please just shuttup and be friends? Because that would be super. :D

[sweetmommie]

Enough is Enough! And yes we can all"Be Quiet"( politer way of saying "SHUT UP"....lol, and yes we can all be friends. Hating someone or disliking them over an opinion is against who I am as a person.we all have opinions and that is just something I accept out of people. My problem is.I have a huge heart and find it difficult to hurt others feelings, and when I feel someone's feelings have been hurt I tend to jump in.That is who I am as a person! People either accept that about me or you dont........Either way I really dont lose any sleep over it....I do quite fine on my own with my husband and kids. So with that,I like to say have a great day, and hope all is well with each and everyone of you!

[kaleighkaleigh]

yeah i thought this forum was about helping people with their pets, not to make each other feel like shit.....I am glad that we can get over it now, and lilwurm, maybe try to be less sarcastic?

[Revenge]

whatever you just said I didn't get

[Revenge]

thats what people were saying when I was thinking of breeding my dwarfs and I had a mislead of infromation the stensh was just a urine stensh that attracts

[LilWurm]

Less sarcastic? I tell you what, don't ever swear on these forums again, and I'll work on being less sarcastic.

[kaleighkaleigh]

oh cry...how old are you?

[sweetmommie]

Hey LilWurm.where in Michigan are you from.I have family in Grand Rapids. We visit there often.Nice State I like it there.

[LilWurm]

I am 16 years old. But remember there is a 13 year old probably still subscribed to this forum. He's heard enough of our squabbling and doesn't need to learn any nasty words because of our nonsense. So please do not swear on the forums again. There are young kids on here.

I am from Clarkston, outside of Detroit. I used to live with my dad in Kentwood, which was about half an hour outside downtown Grand Rapids. Ever go to the John Ball Zoo? Got a nice new mokey enclosure from a few summers ago. I remember when they first built it.

It's okay up here. But I hate winter. It's pretty, but it's FREEZING! Whew! :cold:

[sweetmommie]

Yea winters are pretty cold here in N.Y, usually when I talk to my brother we are getting the same type of weather you are getting. Actually no I have never been to that Zoo that you are talking about, but this summer while we were there I believe we passed it on our way to a place called" Full Blast"! Or it could have been an entirley different Zoo, I'm not quite sure. Have a good night! By the way can you take a look at my new post and give me some insight about what may be happening.Thanks!

[kaleighkaleigh]

hahah.....YOUR guy's winters are cold? try living in northern canada!! *sniff sniff* lol

[Revenge]

if your describing me as the 13 year old am actually 14!

[sweetmommie]

No actually we were talking about the boy who originally posted this message.2 female Syrian.

[Revenge]

oh you mean the boy that has the mind of a 999 year old that has a mind of a 9 year old?

[Revenge]

sorry if I putten that in code

[sweetmommie]

Yea somethin like that.......lol

[houstonhamsters]

um.. i am gald to hear your hamster is felling better!

[Revenge]

Just one quick question my female dwarf just had a pups weanied from her yesterday and I noticed one of her abdamens torn open and she is still alive and active as ever am wondering if a vet would prescribe medicine to help make it back to normal

[Revenge]

in a tiny hole

[steveakam]

I have just picked up this thread today and dear god I wish I hadn't bothered. A young boy asks for help and gets severely brow beaten by a set of moody, bad tempered and nasty people. you made all sorts of assumptions about this boy and then assassinate his character and the character of his poor parents who for all you know were not even aware that the hamster was ill. Even when people tried to insert positive comments and advice (dee23 for example) they were shot down and argued with without real cause. I had always thought of these forums as a place to find help, advice and have intelligent conversations with like minded people. I only joined petshub last night and to be honest if you lot are a fair example of its members I don’t think ill bother anymore
lilwurm grow up,
Three quotes from you

Quote 1. “Typically, I act older than I am” NO YOU DON’T!!!!!!

Quote 2. “Money can be found, you just have to look hard enough. Of course you'll never get your hands on it if you never get off your butt and look”

There speaks the voice of the very young, immature and pig ignorant.

Quote 3. “But remember there is a 13 year old probably still subscribed to this forum. He's heard enough of our squabbling and doesn't need to learn any nasty words because of our nonsense”

Don’t worry he probable stopped reading this diatribe a long time ago.

Quote 4. “Hardy har har”. That intelligent response speaks for its self.

[LilWurm]

First off, I'm not here to care what you think. I simply stated my opinion, and built off everyone else's.

Thanks for quoting me, now everyone gets a new dose of my intelligence. Hehehe ... :p

It's almost impossible to know what the kid's situation is, he didn't give me enough information to know exactly what his disposition is. I apologize that I have offended yet more people. I have a hard time getting anyone to enjoy my company, because EVERYONE seems to be offended by my opnion. Not like I CARE, but it's an interesting observation, nonetheless.

You can call me immature, I am only 16. That makes me happy, and it's fun to be a child inside. At least I don't act like I have a silver spoon up my butt all the time.

Like I said, I don't care about what you think. Quote me all you want, call me immature, call me whatever fits for you and makes you feel better about yourself.

I love you all, and goodnight.

[Revenge]

Okay thanks for the info