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Meld
11-21-01, 02:09 PM 11-21-01
Thought I'd post what I've learned about fishkeeping from the internet and books. I don't know if it will help anyone, but it can't hurt to try.

1. When first buying a tank: Don't listen to the petstore people that tell you that you can set the tank up and have fish in it after 24 hours! If you want to probably set up a tank you need to cycle it.

2. Cycling a tank: Does not mean just putting the product cycle in it. I use it, but from what I've read it doesn't do all that much and it definatly does not cycle a tank on its own.

Also, if cycling with fish please don't buy fish that are not hardy fish. I think fishless cycle is best, but some people insist on doing it with fish.

3. Salt: NOT all fish do well in salt, unlike some people say. I do realize that it can prevent some deseases, but some species do not do well with salt in the tank at all.

4. Brackish water fish: Some of these species can survive in freshwater, but they will not thrive.

5. 1 inch per gallon: Is about the worst advice anyone could ever give someone that's starting the fish hobby. Find out how big the maximum size the fish will grow before buying it. Some fish start out less then an inch and end up to be 8 inches. There are exceptions to this where the 1 inch per gallon rule does apply, but it is mostly based on bioload and how much room the fish likes to have. I would maybe put 10 neons in a 10 gallon, but not 10 fish that like bigger spaces even if they are under and inch.

6. Fish will grow to the size of their tank: B/S! This is called stunting fish! It only succeeds in making the fish more succeptable to desease and causes their internal organs to be stunted, thus making their life span shorter. I've been to many petstores that tell poor unsuspecting buyers that fish will grow to the size of the tank. Unfortunatly I used to believe this too until I learned differently.

7. Bowls: These are not suitable for any fish! Especially goldfish which need at least (Preferrably more) 10 gallons per fish! The 2 gallon bowls are ok, but not ideal for a betta, but not much more then that. It makes me sick when I see those poor bettas in those bowls with a plant on top. That is not a good living place for a betta.

8. Overfeeding: Pretty simple concept. You overfeed you cause more waste. It can eventually kill your fish.

9. Uncompatible fish: I realize that there are exceptions to this, but please research what fish are compatible before buying them.

10. Chemicals: Some use them some don't, but I tend to agree with the less chemicals you use the better. I use the ones to purify the water, and I use cycle, but that's it. It is better to try and buy fish that are more suitable to your water conditions then to try and change your ph/hardness.

11. Read: One of the most important things I've found out is to read as much about this hobby and the fish you want to buy as you can before starting out.

12. Filtration: It is very important to have proper filtration. I bought an extra aquaclear mini for my 10 gallon just so it would have the extra filtration. While this may be overboard, I feel it's better then having to little. It depends on the size of the tank and how many fish are in there.

13. Size/gallons: I've found out that it doesn't always depend on the gallons on how much fish you can have. A 55 gallon long/wide will house more fish then a hex will because of the bottom area. Some fish will also not do well in a hex because of the limited swimming room.

Well I hope this post helps some people. If I have any misinformation please let me know. I'm just posting information I have learned throughout all my reading.

fishyfish
11-24-01, 02:00 AM 11-24-01
Thanks a lot Meld.

I am a pretty new owner of six parrot fishes. Your advises are really great. I hope you will have more advises for us, fish-keepers. ;)

I never know that fish will grow to the size of their tank. :eek: Thanks for sharing that. I hope my six parrot fishes doesn't grow too huge though. ;)

:apresent:

bluelights
12-11-01, 11:54 AM 12-11-01
Meld, that is a quality post! Thanks for sharing your useful knowledge with the rest of us at pets forums.

Cornflower
11-16-04, 08:19 PM 11-16-04
Okay, it's good information. Can you feed goldfish worms? I'm ten years old and I've had hermit crabs for four months now. I researched for one or two weeks to prepare for them. Do not judge me for those people who ignore me!

Cornflower
11-16-04, 08:21 PM 11-16-04
Check www.google.com is what I advise you. Watch out for those people who just lie. If you can't find the same information on two sites, then it's probably a lie.

Deiwos
11-17-04, 04:42 PM 11-17-04
That's all great info, except that bettas do fine in bowls. They live in puddles and streams and things in the wild, so a bowl is the right size, but that's the only fish that's bowl-compatible.

Noney
11-24-04, 07:54 PM 11-24-04
Bettas living in puddles is a misconception. They do live in streams, and rice paddies, as well as in large bodies of water in the wild, and usually it is isn't stagnet water, so keep all that in mind. Oh, and just to site my reference as to the no puddle comment, here is one source:

Betta Talk (http://www.bettatalk.com/betta_history.htm)

And if you do more research, you will see how many myths about the poor betta there really are. -detective

littletank
01-02-05, 06:20 PM 01-02-05
We really do need to spread the word about Bettas because I have never seen a Betta in anything besides a little bitty bowl with no filter, no nothing to be exact and it makes me so sad. I know all the owners think this is okay, but even if they don't like to swim all over the place, it doesn't mean three cups of water and a small bowl is the right environment for them. I mean I don't like to run all over the place but I don't live in a room, I live in a house with accessories...ie rocks and plants for the Bettas please!! They've become a new trend lately, but the owners do not know any better.
littletank in Louisiana

Pippin
01-03-05, 12:18 PM 01-03-05
My betta boy is in a 10 gallon tank with a whisper filter (set at lowest current) and a heater! He has a big fake log to swim through and a few fake plants (all silk plants). He is a very happy betta and is currently constructing his bubble nest masterpiece. His message to those who think bettas like bowls : :yuck: .

Pantamallion
01-06-05, 08:06 PM 01-06-05
I thought bettas could live in colder water, obvoisly above or around 70, but do they really need a heater?

lovechick
01-07-05, 01:00 PM 01-07-05
I think bettas will benefit from a heater but only if a tank is 5 gallons or larger, otherwise you will boil your fish. Chose an approprite heater though especially made for small tanks.

Pippin
01-07-05, 01:04 PM 01-07-05
They dont need a heater but it really is best for them. Fluctuating temps. are not good and can be the downfall of any fish. You will see a bettas true colors and personallity when they are in a larger tank with clean water and a heater.

Pantamallion
01-07-05, 03:02 PM 01-07-05
Okay I getchya, I was just wondering becuase a freind of mine is getting a betta, and she wants to put it in a cute bowl with fake plants and rocks, and I'm trying to get the message through to her. We're B.F.F's, and she knows that I know alot about animals, so she listens. Also, becuase I have a ten gallon in my bedroom that's empty, and i was thinking of making a cricket farm, but I've decided I'll just buy them. So that's my story lol. I have like 65 bucks and I was wondering, would it be possible to buy a heater and maybe a filter I suppose(if I need it) and the plants and rocks too for about halve of that or no?

Pippin
01-07-05, 06:18 PM 01-07-05
You should be able to get a good deal at walmart. Buy two of the little bags of gravel, they are only a couple bucks each. And for fake plants you should get the silk kind so that the bettas fins are safe. A whisper filter is fine, especially since they have a flow control knob. If you have the extra money I would suggest that you go to a Petco for a Visi-therm deluxe heater. They are worth the extra money.

Pantamallion
01-07-05, 06:52 PM 01-07-05
alright, uhm, okay well do you think I could get any of that stuff at petsmart? Becuase our Petsmart is really really close and so is our Petco, and they're both real clean and organized so I'm thinking they would have healthy bettas. And let's see... what kind of plants could I get for the tank, live plants? Okay so let me get this straight. Abut two little bags of rocks, one whisper filter, a heater, plants, live or fake...anything I'm forgetting? Ok, I'm going to Petco and Petsmart's wensites right now so I can look at the deals, maybe walmart maybe... Thanks for the help, and the quick replies! :D

TommyR
01-08-05, 04:22 AM 01-08-05
I thought bettas could live in colder water, obvoisly above or around 70, but do they really need a heater?


Yes they need a heater, they are very lathargic in cool water. 78 to 80 degrees f.

They also need more than a one gallon bowl. Remember in their natural habitat they can jump from puddle to puddle, pattie to pattie and the water gets changed as well through evaporation and rain.

Tom

Pantamallion
01-08-05, 01:49 PM 01-08-05
As of right now I can not get a betta, as I'm soon to get two bearded dragons. I think that a ten gallon is large enough for a betta, or not? Also the filter, heater, and air pump, cost a mighty fine lol, but I think I have an old air pump some where but I'm not quite sure. They each cost around 20 or 30 bucks. :worried: I'm not sure I have enough for all of those three things, they're so costy. This is not including the plants and rocks I would have to buy with betta and food. Luckily bettas usually only cost like 3 bucks. But I've set my mind to getting a betta, and there was this purple, blue, white betta who was adorable and looked much smarter than the other bettas. I must get it. The cups they're kept in in a big pile is insulting. I hate to see them locked up in those ittsy bitsy containers :no:

TommyR
01-08-05, 03:57 PM 01-08-05
As of right now I can not get a betta, as I'm soon to get two bearded dragons. I think that a ten gallon is large enough for a betta, or not? Also the filter, heater, and air pump, cost a mighty fine lol, but I think I have an old air pump some where but I'm not quite sure. They each cost around 20 or 30 bucks. :worried: I'm not sure I have enough for all of those three things, they're so costy. This is not including the plants and rocks I would have to buy with betta and food. Luckily bettas usually only cost like 3 bucks. But I've set my mind to getting a betta, and there was this purple, blue, white betta who was adorable and looked much smarter than the other bettas. I must get it. The cups they're kept in in a big pile is insulting. I hate to see them locked up in those ittsy bitsy containers :no:


A 10 gallon tank is great for 1 betta! Then all you really need is a heater (50 watt, about $25-$30, set at 78-80 degrees F), a filter (A Penguin Bio-wheel mini or Aquaclear mini would be fine and they are cheaper online as opposed to a local store) and you're all set! DON'T get the betta until you have the other things, make sure you are ready for the fish first. Only 1 BETTA though. You could even use a 5 gallon tank if you wanted to. I have a betta in a 5 gallon tank. A 10 gallon is better though!

Tom

mishalee
01-09-05, 10:15 AM 01-09-05
Is it ok if I hop in; I've got a question as well. Yesterday I bought a red betta, Bakura, and I'm currently housing him in a 1 gallon tank with an air pump(temporarily). I'm hoping to move him to my 6- gallon eclipse with the bio-wheel filter soon. It doesn't have an air pump, so should I buy one or will he be ok without one?

Pippin
01-09-05, 10:38 AM 01-09-05
He'll be perfectly fine without an airpump. The filter will oxygenate the water adequately.

mishalee
01-09-05, 10:49 AM 01-09-05
Thanks alot! :D