?Horse Slaughter?

[Kimoshino]

Ok, I know this is going to sound really weird, but I was wondering if anyone knew about any horse slaughter houses in northeast Nebraska?

[Kimoshino]

I mean, I am against it all the way but I just want to see how bad the horses really have it. I have a really crazy idea that is probably stupid but I need to go to a slaughter house and talk to one of the manager people first. If you wonder what my "plan" is email me ok?

[LittleVeggi]

Well you might be able to find out some things on www.peta.org. They tell you/show you a lot about all types of animal slaughter (exactly why I am a vegetarian now!) One thing I DO know about horse slaughter is sometimes when they retire racehorses they send them to be horse meat :(

[RabbitMage]

The only equine slaughthouses I know of in the US are in Texas.

PETA is not the hub of accurate information, especially not regarding slaughter.

[LittleVeggi]

Maybe so, but i am a huge member and I believe strongly in animal rights :)

[cafeduck1]

Rabbitmage is correct. They either go to Texas or get shipped to Canada.

[RabbitMage]

LittleVeggi...not a knock, honestly. I would like to hear your opinion on what exactly 'animal rights' means. I think I define it as something different than you do, so I'm just curious. :-)

There might be some feedlots in Nebraska. If you have any horse rescues in your state, check with them. They may know.

[Bilbo12]

Im a HUGE animal lover and a vegetarian.

But I think peta takes things way to far.

Ill tell you what peta did! Peta to protect the owls(that they THOUGHT lived in the trees but none of them were actually there.) would go and drive metal spikes into the trees( where they couldnt be seen) and when the lumberjack would try to cut it down the spikes would bust the chain on his saw and the chain would comes off of the chain saw and kill the lumberjack(It killed one guy and SEVERALLY wounded several others!) Thats what peta does. (Im not saying you do this Im sure there are many members of peta who dont even know they do this)

But peta's true philosphy is, that in the "protection" of animals its okay to endanger humans!

Maybe you should put your passion for animals to a better cause (:

This post is not meant to offend anyone everybody has there different opinions and Im a strong beleiver in freedom of speech.

[yodelinghamster]

I'm an aniamal lover and all but I just can't give up cheesebugers... lol!

[Kimoshino]

I definatly know what you guys are sayin but, I know there's more slaughterhouses in the U.S. I was just wishing that since we can't save all of the horses, (even though I wish I could) maybe we could make their death less painful somehow... I don't know how, but I'm working on it.... Any ideas would be great.

[RabbitMage]

There's not more slaughterhouses in the US. Just the ones (I think there's two of them) in Texas.

IMO the way to make slaughter more humane is to have MORE slaughterhouses. Make sure than no horse ever has to endure more than 24 hours in a trailer to reach one. Better inforce the transport laws in place. And design a better method to restrain and stun them. Since horses vary so greatly in size, it's hard to accurately restrain them to make sure they don't suffer needlessly on the floor.

[Bilbo12]

Yeah its pretty sad :( over 100,000 american horses a year are slaughtered and over 50.000 race horses ar year are slaughtered!

California is the only state where horse slaughter is illegal :(

I dont get what the point of killing horses for human consumption is?

Its sooooo gross its like eating a cat or dog or something!

[Bilbo12]

Actually i dont get the point of killing any horses at all is?

[RabbitMage]

Well...the horses that go to auction are usuall a) old or b) unsound. Not always, of course. Anyway, the horses that end up in feedlots are there because no one else bought them. They're unwanted for whatever reason.

Instead of being left in some negligent owners backyard, or dumped onto a helpful but already overloaded rescue, these horses are going to a useful end.

I just think that 'end' should be made more humane, not stopped.

[MangoLaska]

My TB was rescued from a slaughterhouse. He wasn't old or unsound, but he was an ex-racehorse who didn't make it on the track, and was a very badly behaved stallion at the time of his rescue.

Now he's a very well-adjusted and sweet gelding who has had a successful "retirement" career as an eventing horse. He's also a good friend.

I wish that there were no horse slaughters, but until there can be a loving home for every single horse in a perfect world, I tend to agree with RabbitMage.

But enough of sad endings, here's my happy boy:
http://image32.webshots.com/33/1/35/78/256513578bukXxo_ph.jpg

[HarimauDahan]

Not to give you guys the wrong idea or anything...I am a huge horse lover. But I believe people should stop focusing on their "favorite" animal and remember that cattle and other animals are also slaughtered everyday. They have it much worse than horses and are constantly being taken for granted. They need our help, support, and love too.

And I agree..Peta takes things too far!

[pandiapita04]

I know this is a few days old but horses are killed for meat and hoofs some people will eat the meat and it is also made into dog food. wile hoofs are made in to glue...........
and i have seen people paint the skuls and sell them $85 each

[LittleVeggi]

Well, no, I dont do all that violent PETA stuff, I do things like stick stickers on walls and I try to tell people that the question is not can they talk or reason, the real question is... can they suffer?
I read that when some racehorses are retired, they are sent to a place to be slaughtered for meat :(
HarimauDahan, you are soo right! A lot of people are horrified that in other countries cats and dogs are slaughtered every day for meat (which is sickening and cruel) but cows and pigs and all are, too. I cry a lot for them, they are soo underestimated and when people see them, they always think what food they will make *rolls eyes at my dad* When I'm older, I's seriously like to try and buy a cow from a slaughterhouse, ya know, to at least save 1 life ;)
PandiaPita04, thats awful! Painting their skulls..... GRRRRRR. :(
Someone aksed me what I defined animal rights as.... well, I think it means that violence to them should be illegal. I think it also means to treat them like living things, not like objects. I dont believe they should be put through unecessary suffering. In the fight for animal rights, no humans should be hurt, because in my opinion, you defeat your own purpose. The only way to make things right ('right' meaning in my opinion of right) is to make peace for all.

Thanks for listening!! :)

[Bilbo12]

This reminds me of how I became a vegetarian!
I was researching about horse slaughter and I was sooo horrified! Then I asked my myself, if is not ok to eat 1 type of animal why should we eat anyother kind? couple wks later I was a vegetarian! LOL I saw some REALLY gross and graphic pictures online and thats what gave me the final decision!
Now, Ive got absouloutely nothing against people who eat meat. There is only 1 other vegitarian in my family (my mom) and I cant stand being around her (I live with my dad and she's sed up with a LOSER!) and also in my religion there is nothing wrong with eating meat.
But I think eating horse, rabbit, or goat is just as gross as eating a cat or dog! EWWWWWWW! YUCKY!

[Bilbo12]

~sorry double post~

[LittleVeggi]

Exactly Bilbo12 :) Like the other day my friend goes, "Aw, I'd never eat a deer because it is cruel" but as she said this, she was eating a burger! In my opinion, animal slaughter is one of the most cruel, unjust things in society. I think if people saw what went on in them, they'd stop eating meat. It's awful....
:(
(Nothing against meat-eaters, k? What I'm against is the cruel, cruel slaughter)

[paulandashia]

I agree, I think Slaughter should be re-evaluated, and the way it is done should be changed... I have seen VERY GRAPHIC and SICKENING videos that I could NOT make myself watch for any-more than about 5 seconds... I cried VERY hard after that... And I do not like the thought of eating animals... Regardless if it is a Cow, Pig, Horse, Dog OR a cat...

We, (Generally speaking), can not really say that it is in-humane to eat a cat or a dog, or a horse... Because there are plenty of other cultures that DO in fact, eat these animals, and, in their eyes, they can not comprehend why another person can consume a cow, or a pig....
There are cultures that think Pigs are dirty and filthy animals, unworthy eating, and there are yet, other cultures that consider Cows to be Gods, and would NEVER consider eating them... And they feel that those of us that DO eat Cows, are all going to hell...

That way of thinking is what is commonly called Ignorance, and if we can say that those people that eat horses, dogs and cats are Bad, well..... Then we are not any better than those that think we are bad for eating Cows and Pigs...

I grew up in Europe, and I DID, in fact, consume Horse-Meat in the past.
Do I feel bad..? Yes and No... I was a Kid, and unaware...
Would I eat it now.? Maybe if I was dying... If my child's life depended on it...
The Native Americans ate Horse-meat, (Some of them) and they thanked the Creator for each and every life... That is what I do each and every day...

[LittleVeggi]

I agree with you ^ The slaughter is cruel and sickening. I mean, with the way they treat the animals you wouldnt think the animals were any more than worthless objects :(

paulandaisha, are you a vegetarian? I am because I dont like the thought of eating something that was alive and I dont like the thought of eating something that murdered in such cruel and unjust ways...

(again, nothing againts meat-eaters) ;)

[paulandashia]

I am not a vegetarian. I used to be, but I lived / worked for a Dude Ranch for a few years, and the only thing they had there was steak... LoL If you do not have a choice, and are 50 miles from the nearest town, and have NO car... LoL Your choices are pretty limited. :)
I also have a health condition that prevents me from going back to vegetarianism. AND a VERY meat-loving husband... LoL Kind hearted, sweert, gorgeous, wonderful man, but he loves his meat...
I DO however, purchase my meat from a local market, from a local S-house, where I KNOW the animals are not tortured and are killed swiftly and painlessly. Everyone praises the Mat-Su S-House. They are Kind, (believe it or not) to the way they do it, the animals do not feel a thing... The meat is about 2X as expensive, but I think it is worth it...
I do NOT eat pork, I can not stand the taste, and I do not eat deer, or wild game... I ONLY eat beef and chicken. Sometimes Tuna, when there is nothing else to eat. I DO drink milk, (Love it) and I do eat eggs... :) (((PLEASE DON'T HATE ME.!)))

[Bilbo12]

My friends mom will NOT eat french fries because she thinks its gross how they are made, but still eats meat because that doesnt bug her!?

[LittleVeggi]

Bilbo12, thats odd! Doesnt like animal fat but will eat the animal! Huh. Yeah, people at school wont eat jell-o when I told them it had gelatin in it (which is made up of ligaments and muscles from animals...blech!)

Paulandaisha, i dont hate you, lol! Wow, i bet that place is 1 in a million then, huh? Do you know how they painlessly do it?

[paulandashia]

From what I heard, the Animals are first knocked unconscious (Electrical shock directly to the head... They don't even know what hit them), that way, the meat can get de-blooded, but the animals do not feel a thing. They just kind of.... Float away, I guess...

I know in other places they cut and skin them alive and while they are still conscious... (It's ABSOLUTELY REPULSIVE AND MAKES YOU WANT TO VOMIT..!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)

I heard good things about how they run their S-House here.
Apparently, they think it is easier to handle the animals when they are knocked out and can not fight back and struggle. And a lot cleaner, because the blood and things do not get all over the place...
And the animals are not stressed out and not hurting themselves.
I don't know, but I guess I have to believe in something at least partially "humane" if that is what you can call it...

I wish we could all go back in time a few hundred years, and live off the land.

Anyhow, I hope I did not gross too many people out, or traumatized anyone too badly.... I apologize if I did... I did not mean to... I promise... My sincere and deepest apologies to those I might have possibly offended in any way...

[KikiCourtney]

Maybe so, but i am a huge member and I believe strongly in animal rights :)

I am a member of PETA, and yes, there are countless horse slaughters going on in the western US. I am also a vegan.

[Ratty Lover]

Man, I live in Texas and I can't belive that most horse slautering places are Texas. I am a huge animal lover, and one of my most favorite kinds of animals are horses. It's very sad.

[Bilbo12]

Little Veggie and KikiCourtney even if you dont participate in the ilelagal acts the PETA commits you are still supporting it by being a member!
Here's a few websites on PETA (:
http://workingpitbull.com/thetruthaboutpeta.htm

Now the hunters unite site has a link to a site called beata seal now please understand that they absoloutely DO NOT really do wut this site says and they just have that on there to bug peta

www.huntersunite.com/peta.htm

Oh and something else is that PETA is trying to rid the world of pets! (dogs, cats, mice, etc) because they beleived that they are "enslaved" I tryed my hardest NOT to say this but I HATE peta! they brainwash children into beleiving things!
If you guys have a passion for animals and truly want to help them there are more worthy causes to support wether they are animal related or not!


PS john kerry sucks!

[Bilbo12]

oh and heres a website you might want to check out!

www.animalrescuesite.com

[KikiCourtney]

Little Veggie and KikiCourtney even if you dont participate in the ilelagal acts the PETA commits you are still supporting it by being a member!
Here's a few websites on PETA (:
http://workingpitbull.com/thetruthaboutpeta.htm

Now the hunters unite site has a link to a site called beata seal now please understand that they absoloutely DO NOT really do wut this site says and they just have that on there to bug peta

www.huntersunite.com/peta.htm

Oh and something else is that PETA is trying to rid the world of pets! (dogs, cats, mice, etc) because they beleived that they are "enslaved" I tryed my hardest NOT to say this but I HATE peta! they brainwash children into beleiving things!
If you guys have a passion for animals and truly want to help them there are more worthy causes to support wether they are animal related or not!


PS john kerry sucks!

Most of that website is BS. I only support PETA in worthwhile causes that don't go against plain good sense.

But this is getting off-topic.

[Bilbo12]

KikiCourtney.
Actually those site are VERY true and yesterday my post was a little extreme but in real life right now I have a whole lot crap going on so Im very stressed out and I was in the mood for arguing with someone :) There are many members of PETA who dont REALLY know what they are supporting but the fact that you have to face is that if you support PETA you are supporting everything I have told you and more.

Little Veggi
I can tell that you are VERY passionate about animals (as am I)
I HIGHLY reccomend that you take your support to a more worthy cause :) Maybe if start your own shelter!

[Bilbo12]

Oh! and Kimoshino
I read something on a website about there being a slaughter house in nebraska I dont remember where I suggest you search google advanced search for info on horse slaughter :)

[KikiCourtney]

KikiCourtney.
Actually those site are VERY true and yesterday my post was a little extreme but in real life right now I have a whole lot crap going on so Im very stressed out and I was in the mood for arguing with someone :) There are many members of PETA who dont REALLY know what they are supporting but the fact that you have to face is that if you support PETA you are supporting everything I have told you and more.

Little Veggi
I can tell that you are VERY passionate about animals (as am I)
I HIGHLY reccomend that you take your support to a more worthy cause :) Maybe if start your own shelter!

I still don't agree with everything that is said at that site but some of it is true, yes. I work at an aquarium and I really want to volunteer at a shelter, but I have two jobs and I'm a junior in h.s. so I have no time, sadly. I'm also a member of The Fund for Animals, I recommend joining at fund.org ;)

[luvsallanimals]

Well I know Canada has a lot of slaughter houses for horses. I'm not exactly sure why.

We did pay to have one of our horses picked up when I was younger by the slaughterers. He was 39 years old in people years and just couldn't get up anymore. I begged and pleded my dad not to let him go there but, I was only a child and what else could I do.

I think if you email this place they might be able to help you on some slaughter house stuff.

www.horserescue.on.ca
www.mazinaw.on.ca/sashaslegacy

I don't believe in slaughter for any animal other than ones that are being used for consumption. I was raised my whole life with our family raising our own meat and our own crops. So to me if your eating it thats fine, but if not don't bother.

I am going to rescue some horses one day, even though my dad is soo cold hearted about horses. I believe that every animal has a use in life.

[CanadianPets]

Canada is said to be the fourth largest exporter of horse meat.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/features/horse_meat_industry.html
It mostly goes overseas.

There is one horse slaughterhouse about 2 hours from me and MANY horses go there. I think they pay anywhere from $500-$1500 per horse. :( It's sad. When a horse suffers an injury or gets sick, some people would rather ship them off and receive money instead of treating the illness or having the horse humanely put down.

[LittleVeggi]

Well, one reason I guess I still like PETA a but is ciz everyone else makes fun of me for being a vegetarian! For God's sake, on that web site, they're trying to compare vegetarians LIKE ME to freakin' Timothy McVey (Oklahoma City Bomber). I am not gonna go bomb a city because I dont eat meat! (I'm not yelling at any of you guys, no way, I'm mad how that web was trying to say that vegetarianism was crazy.) I do it for the animals, but that simply goes with my beliefs, I do not believe in treating animals that cruel way they do in slaughterhouses.

I definitely dont agree with PETA on a lot of things, I dont believe in the violence they endorse, I dont believe how they THEY believe the world shouldnt own pets (People NEED pets!) I just believe in their fight for animal rights.

*venting over lol*
But I hope you understand me, I mean, it makes you feel bad when you're judged solely on what you eat!

[minihorses4ver]

I'm an aniamal lover and all but I just can't give up cheesebugers... lol!


lol i can totally agree on that!

[Spudnik]

I know little about slaughter houses but...

About 12 months ago I read in the Newspaper that people in England were auctioning horses to French restaurants and the like, to be used for meat for £1 (About $1.90), but laws made it illegal to sell for under £10 ($19). I still find it horrible. Let the horse out live his use, cash in on him at the races, then auction him for a bit more cash.

[castiglione]

Old thread, I know, but:

1) There are horse slaughterhouses because there is a surplus of horses. People simply are not willing to care for a horse in its twilight years.

2) Horse meat is not used in dog food here. Most Americans find the idea of eating horse so horrible and they also anthromorphize their dogs so much that the idea of feeding dogs horse meat is also considered horrid - the horse meat actually goes to foreign markets where horse meat is considered a delicacy.

3) PETA is notorious for publishing information that is "inaccurate" to be polite. Their information on slaughter methods depends more on tugging at heart strings rather than logic. In many cases, they use the "exception is the rule" to prove their case. Plus, anyone who endangers human lives to save animals lives or ends up endangering animals in order to save them is probably ignorant, unbalanced or all of the above.

4) PETA is also pretty hypocritical. MANY animals are killed in the process of growing and harvesting fruits and vegetables. It is unavoidable because many animals nest in fields which are scheduled to be planted with various crops and these animals end up getting crushed and/or chopped to pieces in the process. These animals are rabbits, various types of birds, mice, moles, etc. The only way to eat without harming animals would be to grow a vegetable garden in your backyard - but even then, what do you do about the rabbit that is endangering your lettuce patch? If you don't kill it, it will breed and pretty soon, you will end up with hundreds of rabbits eating your lettuce. You could get a dog...but that dog will kill the rabbits so that doesn't exactly wash the blood from your hands, does it? And what about that dog? And that cat? They eat meat? Are we to let them starve to death? Oops...that's cruelty to animals. Are we to euthanize them? Oops...that's also cruelty to animals? Try to feed them on a vegan diet? Well, since that's not natural for them, that's also cruelty to animals since most of them will either become very sick and die.

[Mav13]

Horse slaughter is sick... People are sick...

[Spudnik]

Well, that was a nice, well thought out comment!

:p

And if you say that about horse slaughter, I'm presuming you say the same about any other livestock slaughter?

[eQuEsTrAin]

I love animals but this slaughter is here because of us horse people. You may think what in the world am i talking about but listen.

So many unquality horses are bred everyday, with conformation faults that are unfixable. Most horses are bred just because people will think oh its cute to have a foal and they bred an illquality mare and stud and of course you get unquality colt/filly. So eventually the horse gets sent to the slaughterhouse. So really our unplanned breeding causes it. Yes there are some nice horses and slaughterhouses that and owner just cant take of but it this the way!? No! Dont breed unquality horses, dont sell horses to meat buyers. Sure your horse doesnt have to be beautiful but we are over breeding and have way to many horses and thats why we have slaughterhouses.
Im not fine with slaughter but I would be a bit more fine with it if it was done humanely. Yes if a horse is put down by eunthansia, its painless etc. But slaughter, this may be shocking but, those horses are stabbed with a metal gun and are skinned alive.
www.sharkonline.org
But think before we not thining breed and we would have less horses and less slaughtered animals.

[castiglione]

But it's so CUTE to have a foal and to be able to bottle feed it.

Who cares if a few years down the line, after the cute little thing grows up, you have it put down and it ends up in pieces on various dinner plates in Belgium and France?

Isn't it worth it just to be able to bottle feed one of those cute little furballs?

[danigirl1031]

You guys are all correct in that any way you look at it, it the breeders fault that all of this is happening. The reality is as Castiglione just said, cute to bottle feed it when its little, but what happens when its not cute anymore? thats why people throw dogs and cats out on the street. And, in my opinion, people would throw out horses too if they weren't such big creatures!

I do think any way to put down an animals should be to euthanize it only because it is a painless way to die. Its not the animals fault it was brough into this world to be somebodies play toy until it got big and outgrew the bottles!!