just a question

[HammysRme]

can a syrian hamster be easily converted from drinking out of a water bottle to a water dish?
Im only asking becuase my baby syrians had a fight in the middle of the night and i had to separate the one with a little wound on his side into a diff. cage and i dont have another water bottle.

[TiaMaria]

Yes they can hammys.

[TobyRat]

Yep of corse he'll be fine! :) I think it might even be easier to convert to a dish, then go from dish to bottle. I'm not sure how many more baby syrians you have but if you have anymore together it might be time to seperate.

[LuckyBunny888]

Yeppers! Ive done it a couple of times because when the babies I had were little, I didnt want them to drown in the water. Just make sure your bowl isnt too deep!

[CatieCats]

I had to do the same thing because i ran out of water bottles and so i decided to put a water dish in the cage instead.

[yodelinghamster]

yea! Just make sure he doesn't get wet.

[HammysRme]

yeah, im so stressed out right now. Im planning on getting more cages at the petstore and sep. them all. i have 13 babies! ahh.. and all of my friends who said they would take one either got into trouble and cant have any or they got the stuff but wont answer me when they are picking me up.. grr :(
The petstore ran out of hamsters and said they would be glad to take them and that they would sell fast since they are tame. But i dunno

[TiaMaria]

Dont give them to a pet store!! Put an ad in the paper for free hammies or something, they are better off with you then in the pet store. You bred your hammies now you have to be responsible and fine homes for these babies.

[HammysRme]

The petstore is privately owned and take GREAT care of their hamsters, i go there like everyother day... and would it be better if i put and add in the paper but dont say that they are free so people dont just come to feed their snakes free food?

[TiaMaria]

state they are not for food and get references from these people!!!

[HammysRme]

people can lie

[TiaMaria]

You are just full of excuses, you are just like shazzyswimmer, and should not be breeding as well!

[TiaMaria]

Its people like you who make hamsters orphans, and abandon them in shelters. I blame irresponsible breeders like you for abundant amount of unwanted hamsters and over crowded shelters!

[Chaos]

Hmmm. I have to agree with TiaMaria here. If you breed a litter your responsible for that whole litter for their entire lives, not a pet shop. People do back out of promises, its your responsibility to care for the lives you have created. One of my HUGEST pet peeves is irrisponsible breeders, whether its hamsters dogs cats, anything. Don't just give them to a pet shop, even the best pet shops don't give a damn who they sell their animals too. They'll sell them to the first person who walks through the door with $5.00. Put an add in the paper, call your friends and ask them, put up posters if you have to. Just make sure you check their previous experience, ask them questions only a good owner would know, what bedding, food they use, ect. Be responsible and do the right thing.


For cages, you can get cheap plastic bins at
Wal-Mart or any store like that. Cover the tops with wire and you have a bunch of inexpensive cages.

[HammysRme]

yea, im getting them all aquariums becuase i think they are the best.TiaMaria, who ever said that i was giving them to a damn shelter?! I was just saying how the petstore takes great care of hamsters and i know this becuase my 18 yr old cousin works there. I have saved sooo many animals in shelters that you dont know about. but i dont go boasting to people about it and tell them that they should do it too. It should be their choice. You shouldnt be blaming crap on me

[TiaMaria]

Reguardless you are irresponsible, u should have at least 20 people willing to take these hamsters b4 your even consider breeding! and shelters came into play when u said u would give them to a pet store, who gives them to almost anyone despite the fact they might die, and irresponsible people take the hamster to shelters or kill it...

[HammysRme]

w/e.......

[TiaMaria]

Its not whatever its the truth, you need to grow up RME, and see exactly what happens to hammies when people dont want them.

[Chaos]

w/e.......

Thats real mature....

www.petfinder.com... take a look on how many abandoned animals there are. Then search for hamsters. Amazing isn't it?

I was at the humane society in my city this weekend. There's tons of hamsters, rats, mice. Not to mention dogs and cats. Because people breed them and adopt from pet shops without doing any research. Its sad, I wanted to take them all home and let them live their lives with me but I can't. because we can't save them all which is why we should only breed responsibly.

[HammysRme]

w/e.......

[TiaMaria]

w/e.......

We obviously have a lil child here, dont worry about it chaos, one day he will be punished for his sins.

[LuckyBunny888]

Hmmm. I have to agree with TiaMaria here. If you breed a litter your responsible for that whole litter for their entire lives, not a pet shop. People do back out of promises, its your responsibility to care for the lives you have created. One of my HUGEST pet peeves is irrisponsible breeders, whether its hamsters dogs cats, anything. Don't just give them to a pet shop, even the best <a style='text-decoration: none; border-bottom: 3px double;' href="http://www.serverlogic3.com/lm/rtl3.asp?si=24&k=pet%20shops" onmouseover="window.status='pet shops'; return true;" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true;">pet shops</a> don't give a damn who they sell their animals too. They'll sell them to the first person who walks through the door with $5.00. Put an add in the paper, call your friends and ask them, put up posters if you have to. Just make sure you check their previous experience, ask them questions only a good owner would know, what bedding, food they use, ect. Be responsible and do the right thing.


For cages, you can get cheap <a style='text-decoration: none; border-bottom: 3px double;' href="http://www.serverlogic3.com/lm/rtl3.asp?si=24&k=plastic%20bins" onmouseover="window.status='plastic bins'; return true;" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true;">plastic bins</a> at
Wal-Mart or any store like that. Cover the tops with wire and you have a bunch of inexpensive cages.
Very well stated Chaos, I really agree if you cant find the babies homes, you shouldnt be breeding. What I did to find homes for my blackies, every day in school before class would start, I would ask my teachers to make announcements to all their classes that one of their students had hammies and gave them a number to call. Then from there,I picked the best homes out for the hammies based on different factors.

[yodelinghamster]

I agree with tia and choas completly!!!!!!!!!!! We have a few trolls/devloping trolls on our hands! (shazzy/RME). HammyRme, with al those excues out what tia said, I doubt your pet store gets refs!! I'm sure they were glad to get your free, tamed, hammies and make a profit! tia, choas you said the rest for me, hammy protecters unite!!! lol just kidding... Or at least half kidding....

[HammysRme]

by tha way, imma girl, and yes.. wouldnt being at the age 14 make me a child? giving hamsters to petstores are such a sin!! omg!

[Chaos]

No, 14 isn't a child. 12 isn't even a teenager, hence being a child. Depending on what you consider a sin, hey it could be. But in my opinion, its wrong. You created these little lives, you need to take responsiblity for your action. Every action has its consequences, but by shoving off the burden to someone else your showing that you couldn't care less about your actions.

[HammysRme]

by the way, i went to the petstore a few hrs ago and bought them each their own cagesand all the supplies

[yodelinghamster]

you are taking this into your own hands not the petstores, if so good! So you bought supplies for your baby hammies good!! This is great!

[HammysRme]

but im tellin ya, the petstore is great with their animals! ;)

[TobyRat]

I'm sure the pet store is great. . . but I think what people are saying is that some of the people who buy animals there are NOT so great.

Anyways, good luck with your hammies. Have you decided to keep them? And yes, everyone, anyone under 18 is considered a child in the USA. But still, no one should breed unless they can keep all the babies. Also meaning the time and money it takes when your hamsters need vet care and the hours spent playing and cleaning up after 8+ hamsters. Giving your hamsters to the pet store is not a sin, athough it does show irresponsibility for the life you have created.

[yodelinghamster]

exactly toby!

[LuckyBunny888]

very well stated everyone!

[Mitchandozzie]

w/e.......

Of course. W/E The best response in the human language. Some advice girl, next time you decide to not care, type it out properly.

I know many petstores are great. My local petstore is great. Soon they are having a huge fundraiser together with my dads friend to support the SPCA, they also take EXCELLENT care of their animals, will not sell you an animal unless you have a cage, they have to be able to call you, they wont EVER give you wrong info, they dont sell fluffy bedding or wire wheels...I could go on and on.
But some pet stores arent like that. You may think theyre great, but unless you have inside info you can never be sure. I have inside info about this pet store, and can tell you its the best there is. However, alot may seem like they take great care of there pets, or whatever, but they DONT. Did you ever hear about the hamster who was "untrainable" so instead of working with it paitiently, the owner put it on the ground and squashed it with his foot, and he didn't even kill it! How can you be GUARENTEED that your hamster wont be squished?
You say your cousin or whatever works there. Good job for him. But will he look into EVERY home that considers buying a hamster? The SPCA does that. RESPONSIBLE breeders do that. They don't dump their hammys on a petstore. If I were to breed, I would give them to people I know so I can watch them grow. Isn't that why you breed them HammysRme? Or do you do it to just watch the mother suffer through birth, then see some little baby hammies? Or maybe instead you will sell for money? Will you still have that "w/e" feeling towards the advice the other more knowledgeable people who have tried to give you advice if you found out one of the hamsters you bred, who's life you were responsible for, was killed by a little boy or girl who begged their mommy or daddy to have it then left it to die of neglect or inproper handling? Please, do let me know.

[HammysRme]

yes i can keep them all.. new friends said they wanted some so theres good news also

[Chaos]

Of course. W/E The best response in the human language. Some advice girl, next time you decide to not care, type it out properly.

I know many petstores are great. My local petstore is great. Soon they are having a huge fundraiser together with my dads friend to support the SPCA, they also take EXCELLENT care of their animals, will not sell you an animal unless you have a cage, they have to be able to call you, they wont EVER give you wrong info, they dont sell fluffy bedding or wire wheels...I could go on and on.
But some pet stores arent like that. You may think theyre great, but unless you have inside info you can never be sure. I have inside info about this pet store, and can tell you its the best there is. However, alot may seem like they take great care of there pets, or whatever, but they DONT. Did you ever hear about the hamster who was "untrainable" so instead of working with it paitiently, the owner put it on the ground and squashed it with his foot, and he didn't even kill it! How can you be GUARENTEED that your hamster wont be squished?
You say your cousin or whatever works there. Good job for him. But will he look into EVERY home that considers buying a hamster? The SPCA does that. RESPONSIBLE breeders do that. They don't dump their hammys on a petstore. If I were to breed, I would give them to people I know so I can watch them grow. Isn't that why you breed them HammysRme? Or do you do it to just watch the mother suffer through birth, then see some little baby hammies? Or maybe instead you will sell for money? Will you still have that "w/e" feeling towards the advice the other more knowledgeable people who have tried to give you advice if you found out one of the hamsters you bred, who's life you were responsible for, was killed by a little boy or girl who begged their mommy or daddy to have it then left it to die of neglect or inproper handling? Please, do let me know.

just thinking about my babies being squished made me sad and I had to go cuddle them. :(

Its a sad fact, especially with rodents and small pets that people get for their kids to teach them responsibility, only to have it die when the kid neglects to properly care for it.

Great post.

[Mitchandozzie]

*bows* Thank you. Im only 14(ironically the same age as our young breeder here) But I've seen alot of bad things happen to animals. Heard alot of stuff I didn't want to. Now though I can share that experiance with others!

By the way :Is that your dog in your avatar Chaos? Adorable!

[Chaos]

Thanks! My avatar dog is my border collie mix Lucky. Chaos is my pit bull mix girl. Both rescues, best thing I ever could have done. :D

[Mitchandozzie]

Wow Lucky is beautiful! I also have a border collie cross, Deuce, who I got from the SPCA. He's such a sweetie! I would like to see some pics of Chaos as well. I shall have to go to the dog forum!

[Chaos]

Not sure if I'm allowed to post this or not but theres tons of pics in my photobucket account.

http://photobucket.com/albums/v505/spiralcide/

I'd love to see deuce too! I love all dogs but border's are my fav breed for sure!

[Mitchandozzie]

I took a look at your pics and they are beautiful! I love your dogs and hammies! And don't worry, I'll get some pics of Deucer up soon enough! Deucey is a bad boy however! heh, he's learning!
Are those pictures of your room as well? I wish I had a big room!

[Chaos]

yeah heh it is but its not that big really. Anyway can I add you to MSN? I don't think its allowed to go so off-topic like this. ;)

[Mitchandozzie]

Of course of course! And um, to keep this kinda on track again. Its wrong to breed if you're irresponsible. :yes:

[booklady]

ok, i think everyone needs to calm down a bit.. we don't even know for certain that this was an intentional breeding. she did state that she occasionally rescues animals from shelters and such.. how many of us have brought home a new pet, be it pet store or shelter or any other way, only to find ourselves faced with a surprise pregnancy??
and with her being so young, she's subject to limited resources. we don't know how willing her parents are to fund these animals and she may have to make due with what she can get when she can get it.
a little bendfit of doubt can go a long way towards smoothing things over. and people are much more likely to listen if they don't feel yuo're condeeming them...
and regardless of how any one of us might feel about turning our animals over to pet stores, we still have to accept that it's a common practise and an individual choice. we may not agree with it, but then, i might not agree with your choice of bedding, or food, or your music or hair styles, etc.. but that doens't necessarily give me the right to chew you out about it.. :)
be subtle!!!! be nice about your suggestions and changes are more likely to occur...
and for all you "children" out there.. yes.. this is coming from an ADULT.. so there :p

[TobyRat]

There is no such thing as a totally safe place to sell hamsters from. The hamsters sold at pet stores, shelters, breeders, newspaper adds, etc., all can wind up in bad homes. No amount of background research can find every bad owner. I'm not saying evaluating customors is worthless, but when you "get rid" of your pets you never know 100% what is going to happen to them. No matter where you take them to.

HammysRme, I think you are doing the right thing about keeping them or giving them to friends (hamster reliable friends). :)

[TiaMaria]

I agree toby...just dont pawn them off at a pet store.