Breeding siberian dwarf hampsters.....?

[e burna]

I've had the same pair now for sometime. 1 male and 1 female. They've lived together for probably 3 months or so. I'm wondering if the male (Napoleon) were to impregnate the female (Deb) how long it would take? Should I buy another female for him to be happier? I didn't know if 2 females and a male would get along just as well as 1 and 1, or what the "protocol" is on this? Any tips or advice would be appreciated. Thanks for reading.

[Chaos]

Why do you want to breed them? Snake food?

[luckynkentucky]

please dont breed

[luckynkentucky]

So that no one thinks I am only trying to mess with one person ( try reading the thread "about dwarf hamsters") I advise you to not keep a male and female together. *sighs* THey will obviously get pregnant *sigh* It may cause problems to the mother when she is having them *sigh* The best solution is to seperate them quickly so this does not occur. If your really concerned then buy a male and female and put them with the same gender hammies you already have. male+male female +female

P.S. i dont think I am the greatest hammie owner I have only begun to learn (thats for you gotnodice)

[riegfinnid]

Ok you cant even SPELL hamsters....why are you breeding? do you know that its risky and way more complicated than just sticking a male with a female? There's genetics involved...i'm sure you dont want babies die out of the blue because you were irresponsible when breeding and the babies end up with heart and/or kidney defects.

[e burna]

Ok, rather than everyone rip on me when they don't even know the story, can anyone give me a "real" answer here. The male and the female are NOT being separated. I'm trying to find out if they are going to breed or not. If you don't want to answer me here, I'll have someone else post something about it w/a different writing style and a different user name just a bit down the road, so you'll answer it then anyway, so could anyone please just help me out here? I thought this was the best forum for hampsters, and that's why I posted this here. Should I buy another female so the male can mate, or is the one in the tank fine, and it just takes time? Thanks <again> for reading.

[hamsterhaven]

I've had the same pair now for sometime. 1 male and 1 female. They've lived together for probably 3 months or so. I'm wondering if the male (Napoleon) were to impregnate the female (Deb) how long it would take? Should I buy another female for him to be happier? I didn't know if 2 females and a male would get along just as well as 1 and 1, or what the "protocol" is on this? Any tips or advice would be appreciated. Thanks for reading.

Well, I am not going to slam on you like everyone else. I got a female and a male at the same time. I will admit, my intentions were to breed her once. I wanted to have a little happy family in which I would separate the male and females after they were old enough. Not that I was using them as an experiment or anything, but it was a good thing for my 8 year old. He was able to watch them grow from day one. It was very exciting to him. And despite popular belief around here, they are not being used as snake food. I don't understand why everybody freaks out when it comes to having babies. Everbody always assumes you are breeding them for snake food. I think that is cruel and heartless. Please don't assume that everybody does that.

Anyways, you said you have had them for about 3 months?? Have you had them together the whole time? If so, I find it hard to believe that she hasn't got pregnant yet. Mine was pregnant within the first week I had them together. If that is the case, maybe she is unable to get pregnant. As far as putting another female in there, I'm not sure I would at this point. If she was to get pregnant, then you would probably need to separate all of them before she gave birth. I don't know how another female hamster would do around the babies. Sorry I couldn't help much on that.

But please, whatever you do, before you intentionally breed them, make sure you can handle it and you have read up on what to expect.

[Jennicat]

I don't think that people here are "freaking out". Having a male and a female live together is a bad idea. First, they bond to each other. If you only want them to get pregnant once, you have to seperate them afterwards. And then they'll be lonely, and hamsters can be difficult to introduce after they're fully grown.

If you let them continue to live together, it's almost a guarantee that the female will be bred to death.

[e burna]

I don't think that people here are "freaking out". Having a male and a female live together is a bad idea. First, they bond to each other. If you only want them to get pregnant once, you have to seperate them afterwards. And then they'll be lonely, and hamsters can be difficult to introduce after they're fully grown.

If you let them continue to live together, it's almost a guarantee that the female will be bred to death.

Well, they have been living together since we got them, maybe 3 months or so by now I'd say, and have had no litters whatsoever. So, I don't think she's getting bred to death in this circumstance. I wish she WOULD breed.

[Chaos]

Everbody always assumes you are breeding them for snake food. I think that is cruel and heartless. Please don't assume that everybody does that.


This person asked before about breeding. He wanted to know if he could feed the babies he couldn't sell or keep to snakes.

There's enough snake food already born or there, no reason to breed more.

[riegfinnid]

forget snake food...snakes need to eat too...but people breeding just for the hell of it is why so many hamsters end up in shelters....

[e burna]

This person asked before about breeding. He wanted to know if he could feed the babies he couldn't sell or keep to snakes.

There's enough snake food already born or there, no reason to breed more.

The thing is, snake food's not cheap. A small rat goes for $3, and I have 2 of these snakes. Do you want to send me a check for $12 a month for me not to breed my hammies for this purpose?

[hamsterhaven]

Well, I am not going to slam on you like everyone else.

The thing is, snake food's not cheap. A small rat goes for $3, and I have 2 of these snakes. Do you want to send me a check for $12 a month for me not to breed my hammies for this purpose?

I guess I will take that back!!!!! Maybe I am going to slam on you like everyone else!!!!!! If you couldn't afford to feed your stupid snakes in the first place maybe you shouldn't have got them. Maybe you should skip a few meals a day so you can save on money to feed your snakes. I really hope your hamsters don't breed. You are cruel!!!!

[e burna]

Well, I am not going to slam on you like everyone else.



I guess I will take that back!!!!! Maybe I am going to slam on you like everyone else!!!!!! If you couldn't afford to feed your stupid snakes in the first place maybe you shouldn't have got them. Maybe you should skip a few meals a day so you can save on money to feed your snakes. I really hope your hamsters don't breed. You are cruel!!!!

Man, chill out. Hampsters are like mice and rats, except its ok to hold them because they don't bite the crap out of you and they don't spread as much disease. I like hampsters as well. I like watching them play and stuff. If I get too many, they would feed my snakes just like a mouse or a rat would. It really not about feeding the snakes, it's about asking a simple question on hampster breeding, NOT SNAKES!

[nattu]

I'm new to this forum and I was going to give some advice on breeding but I think I'll keep it to myself under the circumstances. I just hope you are taking the necessary action before you feed your homebred pet hamsters to your snakes.

[Chaos]

It says a lot when someone can't shell out $12 a month to feed the pets that they bought and took responsibility for. :rolleyes1

I bet you plan to feed them live too don't you? You should never feed live, the snake could get hurt. Though its only fair that the prey animal should be able to defend itself. Hamsters arn't a good diet for snakes anyway.

[Jennicat]

Well, they have been living together since we got them, maybe 3 months or so by now I'd say, and have had no litters whatsoever. So, I don't think she's getting bred to death in this circumstance. I wish she WOULD breed.

Apologies, I was assuming you had a fertile male and female. Of course, if they will not breed, there's no problem. Congratulations on accidently being responsible. :P

[riegfinnid]

The thing is, snake food's not cheap. A small rat goes for $3, and I have 2 of these snakes. Do you want to send me a check for $12 a month for me not to breed my hammies for this purpose?


oh wow you're stupid...i[m sorry but i had to say it...you pay more to feed your hamsters, snakes are way cheaper to keep than rodents you cant possibly be complaining about 12bucks A MONTH! you pay more than that for ONE dinner.

[e burna]

oh wow you're stupid...i[m sorry but i had to say it...you pay more to feed your hamsters, snakes are way cheaper to keep than rodents you cant possibly be complaining about 12bucks A MONTH! you pay more than that for ONE dinner.

Pay more to feed my hampsters??? What are you talking about. I bought them a big bag of grain type food for a couple bucks, and that was MONTHS ago, they have barely put a dent in the bag. VERY cheap to feed hampsters.

[Chaos]

You didn't answer my question, do you plan to feed your snakes live food?

And the reason feeding them is so cheap now is cause that grain type food sucks. Do some research on proper nutrition and then tell me its cheaper to feed hamsters.

[riegfinnid]

and learn to spell HAMSTER

[e burna]

You didn't answer my question, do you plan to feed your snakes live food?

And the reason feeding them is so cheap now is cause that grain type food sucks. Do some research on proper nutrition and then tell me its cheaper to feed hamsters.

Yes, I do feed my snakes live food. 1 small rat every 2 weeks. As far as "proper nutrition" I think my hampsters are doing just fine with the grain food. No complaints. It is VERY cheap. I gave them each a peanut once awhile back, they seemed to like that too. Cheap pets.

[Gotnodice]

lol yehh dont breed man just buy like 4 dwarfs

[e burna]

lol yehh dont breed man just buy like 4 dwarfs

If I buy 4 of them, they will breed with each other?

[Chaos]

Yes, I do feed my snakes live food. 1 small rat every 2 weeks. As far as "proper nutrition" I think my hampsters are doing just fine with the grain food. No complaints. It is VERY cheap. I gave them each a peanut once awhile back, they seemed to like that too. Cheap pets.

Obviously they can't complain. Its not a good diet, but you don't care do you? Fresh vegetables arn't cheap either, they should get at least a piece of veggie 3 times a week.

Why do you insist on feeding live food? Any good snake person will tell you not too. Whats the point when you can buty pre-killed?

[rodentz]

AHHHHH...you realy are one piece of work arnt you?? YOU DONT DESERVE ANIMALS..... learn how to spell!!!!!!!!! stop feeding live animals to your ugly snakes, wich brings me to another ? you cant pay 12 bucks a month?? then why do you have snakes?? my one rat eats 12 bucks worth of food a month and rats and mice dont bite hamsters bite alot more often then rats or mice do i own both and got bit by a hamster and have never gotten bit by my rat or mouse!! wow you realy are stupid, i dont realy like snakes but... even snakes deserve a better home than yours

[rodentz]

Whats the point when you can buty pre-killed?


srry to double post... he prolly just wants to watch the poor things suffer!!!!!!!!!!!

[whiteswan]

I've had the same pair now for sometime. 1 male and 1 female. They've lived together for probably 3 months or so. I'm wondering if the male (Napoleon) were to impregnate the female (Deb) how long it would take? Should I buy another female for him to be happier? I didn't know if 2 females and a male would get along just as well as 1 and 1, or what the "protocol" is on this? Any tips or advice would be appreciated. Thanks for reading.

Are you sure they are female and male?

[nattu]

To e burma:

It's illegal to feed "live food" to pets in the UK, I take it that's not the case where you live?
And if you cant even afford to buy food for your pets, how will you pay if they are sick and need to see a vet?
Please please don't feed your snakes live animals, it is really not necessary! If you insist on breeding rodents to feed your snakes, there are quick and painless ways to ensure that they dont suffer.
Personally I would rather not keep a pet if it means that other animals have to suffer for it.

[rodentz]

nattu, i agree 100% with that last part :p

[LaGypsyEyes]

everyone ignore this guy, his questions are mostly about breeding rodents to be able to get live food for his snakes... he's extremely ignorant and shouldnt get anyone's time of day.

[e burna]

To e burma:

It's illegal to feed "live food" to pets in the UK, I take it that's not the case where you live?
And if you cant even afford to buy food for your pets, how will you pay if they are sick and need to see a vet?
Please please don't feed your snakes live animals, it is really not necessary! If you insist on breeding rodents to feed your snakes, there are quick and painless ways to ensure that they dont suffer.
Personally I would rather not keep a pet if it means that other animals have to suffer for it.

This really isn't the snake forum, and I really didn't want this to turn into a conversation about my snakes, as it was meant to be a conversation about my HAMPSTERS, but anyway, I feed them live because that's what they're used to. The pet store told me that after being used to live food, they probably wouldn't eat the frozen stuff. They also told me I could "wack the head of them" (meaning the rats I feed them) if I wanted to, but that they would have to be "squirming a bit" if I wanted the snakes to eat them. ANYWAY...I also enjoy my hampsters as well. The kids like them. I AM NOT feeding my pet hampsters to my snakes. As far as a vet bill if the hampsters get "sick", I have a feeling if/when Napoleon and Deb get sick, they will be heading to the happy hunting ground in the sky. They are $9 pets, and a vet visit is what? $70??? That is not happening.

[Jennicat]

So, by that logic, since puppies and kittens are free, they should never go to the vet because it's cheaper to replace them?

[Chaos]

Thats something great you're teaching your children there. That living beings can be replaced because they don't cost a lot. $9 or $900 I'd do anything to save my pets. I guess thats where true animal lovers differ from idiots. :rolleyes:

[nattu]

Hamsters may be cheap to buy but that doesn't mean they are worthless or that they can be ignored if they are in pain. They should go to a vet if they are ill, even if it's just to put them out of their misery. Anyway, they are pretty cheap to treat. It's never cost me more than £8 for my hammies to get treatment at the vet.
I think its better to just have a couple of pets that I can look after well, rather than loads that end up going without because I can't afford to look after them properly. That's why I've only got hammies at the minute, I'd love to have a dog and a horse, but I've not got enough time or money just now to do them justice.

[dee23]

its hamster not hampster
i think you are evil e burna
why dont you buy yourself a toy snake or toy hamster
then you wouldnt have to buy food or take it to the vets lol

[e burna]

its hamster not hampster
i think you are evil e burna
why dont you buy yourself a toy snake or toy hamster
then you wouldnt have to buy food or take it to the vets lol

Listen, I'm not calling u evil here, am I? U wanna buy my hampsters from me? They're yours, $50 plus postage bro'.

[luckynkentucky]

Hahaha... thats not funny e burna. You are a sad sad sad sad sad person. I dont think you should be able to own pets never the less have children. It didnt cost no money to make your children but you pay for them to go to the doctor dont you??? because they are your RESPONSIBILITY just like your hammies. Sometimes I think people should have a license to own a pet because of people like you. And just a little peice of knowledge: My 2 rats have NEVER bitten me. Maybe the rats where you live would bite but not domesticated ones. Hamsters bite ALOT. when you wake them up, when you smell like food or just because they want to bite. (thats right its spelled H A M S T E R ) P.S. i will take you up on the offer for your hammies. In fact just to get them away from you I would pay $100.

[e burna]

Hahaha... thats not funny e burna. You are a sad sad sad sad sad person. I dont think you should be able to own pets never the less have children. It didnt cost no money to make your children but you pay for them to go to the doctor dont you??? because they are your RESPONSIBILITY just like your hammies. Sometimes I think people should have a license to own a pet because of people like you. And just a little peice of knowledge: My 2 rats have NEVER bitten me. Maybe the rats where you live would bite but not domesticated ones. Hamsters bite ALOT. when you wake them up, when you smell like food or just because they want to bite. (thats right its spelled H A M S T E R ) P.S. i will take you up on the offer for your hammies. In fact just to get them away from you I would pay $100.

Ok, they're yours, if you really want them. Send me an e-mail at rockin_randy_price@yahoo.com to discuss the details.

[dee23]

i would buy them off you but i live in the uk so i cant also dont call me bro cant you see by my name i am a women

[Kagome100]

Im not reading any more post. I only read the first few on here. ONE thing I would like to say You don't feed ham hams to snakes. It's not right. Mice/Rats are fed to snakes. Feeding a ham ham to a snake is like feeding a puppy to one.... Plus there not like mice and rats there different......

Oh I did read one other post.... Don't feed snakes LIVE food. The food can KILL the snake. Only feed prekill mice or rats.

[Jiffykat]

So how are the HAMSTER negotiations going? If you really buy them, you should make him promise he won't get more HAMSTERS or put it in your buying contract or something.

[Leahv1]

Im not reading any more post. I only read the first few on here. ONE thing I would like to say You don't feed ham hams to snakes. It's not right. Mice/Rats are fed to snakes. Feeding a ham ham to a snake is like feeding a puppy to one.... Plus there not like mice and rats there different......

Oh I did read one other post.... Don't feed snakes LIVE food. The food can KILL the snake. Only feed prekill mice or rats.

I am sorry but i have to disagree. Why is it ok to feed mice and rats to snakes but not hamsters? I know this one guy who feeds gerbils and hamsters to his snakes(dead of course, he is smart) and perferres them to mice and rats.
I know this is the hamster forum, and i really like hamsters to, but it isn't right to say you shouldn't feed these because they are meant for pets, but so are mice and rats. They were all food at one time or another, but were turn into pets. Sorry it just makes me mad when i see a post like this.
Leah

[o0sapphirerat0o]

while I can't disagree with feeding hamsters to snakes, I HIGHLY disagree with the fact that your complaining it is to expensive to feed 12 a month, what are you going to do when they get big enough to eat rabbits? breed them? hamsters are WAY to small to be feeding a boa anyways.

besides I thought you said your neighbor gave them to you? unless your neighbor is a store I do belive you are lieing.

YOU HAVE KIDS? I thought you were like 12.
You didn't cost a damn thing to create, when you get a broken leg or something maybe someone should just "w you on the head".

oh wait, thats right, your silly little life is more superior than that of any other creature.
freakin pathetic.

I am definitly done trying to help you. It isn't even the fact that you want to feed hamsters, which while it will be costly and time consuming, is great if you want to do it. But you won't take your PET hamster to the vet if something were to happen and complain about 12$ a month.

that grain thing is great, did you know hamster need an "animal protine" as well? while they don't need alot, that grain crap is horrible for them.

I make my own mix for all my rodents, and they all LOVE it. Which to make half a trash can full (specificly bought for the food ;) lol) cost about 60$ for about 2-3 months worth. Not including the fresh foods, treats, and other misc items they get DAILY.

[riegfinnid]

don't feed ham hams to snakes. It's not right. Mice/Rats are fed to snakes. Feeding a ham ham to a snake is like feeding a puppy to one.... Plus there not like mice and rats there different......

i'm not trying to start yet another argument, but just for your info...
snakes will eat hamsters too...they even eat birds...just because you like hamsters more than rats, it doesnt mean snakes cant eat them, you know? lol

one of my snakes actually LOVES hamsters. hamster is just another rodent to a snake.

[o0sapphirerat0o]

Your right, rats can have the intellegince of a 2yr old child, they aren't like other rodents. But saying it's ok to feed rats and mice but not hamsters is just wrong.
And you know what I'm sure some people do feed puppies to snakes (WHOLE DIFFERENT TOPIC) as long as the dog is HUMANELY killed before hand, I have nothing against it. Atleast it is not being beating or starved somewhere else.

Who are we to put one life above another?

[riegfinnid]

Who are we to put one life above another?

well said.

[rodentz]

[QUOTE=

one of my snakes actually LOVES hamsters. hamster is just another rodent to a snake.[/QUOTE]


you fed your snake one of your hamsters??

e burna, since you dont feed your snake pre-killed i hope the poor inecent mouse or rat KILLS IT!!!!!!!!

[o0sapphirerat0o]

while the rat or mouse is innocent, as is the snake! It is NOT the snakes fault that it is in the hands of an uncapable person. Do not wish harm on it simply because of the person taking care of it! Snakes, though not cuddly and furry, are PETS to!

[riegfinnid]

you fed your snake one of your hamsters??!


NO!! Hell no! all my rodents are my PETS....they're my babies...
I buy frozen and always have, i was given a bag of hammies in the past by someone who breeds snakes and my snake LOVED them...when i ran out of the hamsters, he actually refused to eat mice again for a couple of weeks...

Let me repeat it again, MY PETS are NOT snake food and NEVER will be.
I love my fuzzballs.

[jennawing]

I don't see the point in allthis- unless your point is to be a troll and in that case congratulations. Very nice. Get a hobby.

If you are serious, then I feel sorry for you. And you have procreated and I feel sorry for your children and anyone that's going to come in contact with any of you. Sad. Dismally sad.

You have a lot of wrong preconceptions about rodents. Fist off- it is Stupid to try to breed dwarves for food. Dwarf litters are very small. If you insist on breeding for food, why not mice? Or rats? They pop out 12-20 a pop there.

Second, I just want to point out- how many times I have been bitten by
my 6 rats- 0
my 13 mice- 0
my one dwarf hamster- 40+
So your theory there is ridiculous as well

How do you know they have never bred? You probably never clean their cage much less handle them . Likely she's had a couple litters already and little dad there and mom have been snacking on them. THAT's why you're saving so much money on food.

Lastly, I want to point out that I have a lot of pets- 36 at present including rats, mice, hamster, dogs, cats, 2 fish and guinea pigs. It costs me more than $12 a WEEK just to buy vegeatbales for my pigs. All in all, vet visits, flea preventative, heart worm, food, bedding, I spend about $500/month just on pets. I spend that because I cose to have these pets an therefore I am responsible for them and must give them the best OR I would find them a better home. If you cannot spend $12/month on feeders for your snakes, you need to find them a better home. Period.

Furthermore- for anyone out there considering a snake in the future- do NOT buy a snake that has not been raised to eat pre-killed, frozen, thawed food. Right now on anibid you can buy a bag of 12 small frozen rats for about $4. Eventually, the laws in this country are going to change for the better of all rodents. When that happens, feeding your snakes will become illegal- and believe me- when that happens- someone is going to remember you and make sure you get caught for it.

[rodentz]

oh ok i was gonna say! i didnt think you would feed a hammie ;)

sapphirerat i kinda said that like a bitch but realy i just cant stand what this guy is saying! there is alot hes done wrong but he just keeps adding to it and saying more terrible things!!


but, e burna, you are a morron BUT atleast you have enough desencey(if you can call it that) to stay and hopfully
TAKE OUR ADVICE!!!!

[rodentz]

[QUOTE=jennawing]I don't see the point in allthis- unless your point is to be a troll and in that case congratulations. Very nice. Get a hobby.

If you are serious, then I feel sorry for you. And you have procreated and I feel sorry for your children and anyone that's going to come in contact with any of you. Sad. Dismally sad.

You have a lot of wrong preconceptions about rodents. Fist off- it is Stupid to try to breed dwarves for food. Dwarf litters are very small. If you insist on breeding for food, why not mice? Or rats? They pop out 12-20 a pop there.

Second, I just want to point out- how many times I have been bitten by
my 6 rats- 0
my 13 mice- 0
my one dwarf hamster- 40+
So your theory there is ridiculous as well

How do you know they have never bred? You probably never clean their cage much less handle them . Likely she's had a couple litters already and little dad there and mom have been snacking on them. THAT's why you're saving so much money on food.

Lastly, I want to point out that I have a lot of pets- 36 at present including rats, mice, hamster, dogs, cats, 2 fish and guinea pigs. It costs me more than $12 a WEEK just to buy vegeatbales for my pigs. All in all, vet visits, flea preventative, heart worm, food, bedding, I spend about $500/month just on pets. I spend that because I cose to have these pets an therefore I am responsible for them and must give them the best OR I would find them a better home. If you cannot spend $12/month on feeders for your snakes, you need to find them a better home. Period.

Furthermore- for anyone out there considering a snake in the future- do NOT buy a snake that has not been raised to eat pre-killed, frozen, thawed food. Right now on anibid you can buy a bag of 12 small frozen rats for about $4. Eventually, the laws in this country are going to change for the better of all rodents. When that happens, feeding your snakes will become illegal- and believe me- when that happens- someone is going to remember you and make sure you get caught for it.[/QUOTE


nicely said

[o0sapphirerat0o]

Actually almost any snake can be switched to f/t prey items, there are many, MANY ways to make them switch. But you have to realize that there are some snakes that just ABSOLUTLEY refuse to eat anything f/t no matter what methods you try. Which should take about 1-3 months to try a few of them.

I to understand how it is to spend money on the care of your animals, and then have others undermine you!

I just got told the other day "you guys treat your rats like......gold" in a haughty, uptight, "disgusted" way. Simply because we have a rat that has head tilt and spent about 100$ for vet and meds. (OMG! lol). I just HAD to chose to take that as a compliment.

[riegfinnid]

I just got told the other day "you guys treat your rats like......gold" in a haughty, uptight, "disgusted" way. Simply because we have a rat that has head tilt and spent about 100$ for vet and meds. (OMG! lol). I just HAD to chose to take that as a compliment.

lol i can relate to that.

[rodentz]

[QUOTE=

I just got told the other day "you guys treat your rats like......gold" in a haughty, uptight, "disgusted" way. Simply because we have a rat that has head tilt and spent about 100$ for vet and meds. (OMG! lol). QUOTE]


well you should be proud that you take good care of them

[hamsterhaven]

Has anyone noticed that eburna has not posted in the last 17 replies. I think he is sitting back watching everyone argue about something he started.

[o0sapphirerat0o]

and if you haven't noticed we are no longer "arguing" ;) lol

[riegfinnid]

im just waiting for the e burna person to move on to the mouse forums lol and those people are even more aggressive and defensive lol they're just going to rip e burna a new one if he/she ever posts there

[e burna]

I make my own mix for all my rodents, and they all LOVE it. Which to make half a trash can full (specificly bought for the food ;) lol) cost about 60$ for about 2-3 months worth. Not including the fresh foods, treats, and other misc items they get DAILY.

I have had the same bag of grain that I bought at Wal-Mart for about 3 months. Ever since I bought them. It cost me "maybe" $5. It's less than half gone. I think I'm getting a better deal.

[e burna]

e burna, since you dont feed your snake pre-killed i hope the poor inecent mouse or rat KILLS IT!!!!!!!!

You're the biggest hypocrite I've met on this forum yet. Are you with me guys?

[e burna]

Right now on anibid you can buy a bag of 12 small frozen rats for about $4.

Where is "anibid"?

[e burna]

im just waiting for the e burna person to move on to the mouse forums lol and those people are even more aggressive and defensive lol they're just going to rip e burna a new one if he/she ever posts there

I'm not trying to get under people's skin, believe it or not. I have fed my snakes mice before, but I believe they're too big for the mice now, so I do the rats. No reason to try and start unecessary trouble.

[riegfinnid]

you're getting a better deal on price, but not of food....many of those 'mixes' have crap in them that hamsters dont eat and stuff that can actually be harmful to them in the long run.

[e burna]

you're getting a better deal on price, but not of food....many of those 'mixes' have crap in them that hamsters dont eat and stuff that can actually be harmful to them in the long run.

Could u definte "long run"? Mine have been fine for months. And also, u said "many" of the mixes, not all. So, is it technically possible that mine is just fine?

[riegfinnid]

i seriously doubt it. about 50% of what PETCO sells is crap...i've seen walmart rodent food, its even worse.

[jennawing]

Where is "anibid"?


Do you know how to use a search engine? google? Try it- it's very convenient.

[o0sapphirerat0o]

you only think you are getting a better deal, lets weigh this out.

saving money VS. adding life through proper diet.........I think the adding life wins. BTW the crap at wal-mart is generaly either LM or Kaytee, I think they are one in the same, anywho they both contain ethoxyquin (sp??) which has been known to cause cancer. yea, you are SO getting the better deal.

deal with it, you are not taking proper care of your animals, and you are teaching your kids they are disposable.

[nattu]

What do you put in your home made hamster food mix? I'd like to make my own as well, cos by the sounds of it the pet shop stuff is crap.
My hammie is currently on a mix from the pet shop, as well as fresh salad/ fruit/ veg every day, and some cooked chicken/ ham about twice a week.

[rodentz]

You're the biggest hypocrite I've met on this forum yet. Are you with me guys?


OH HUSH!!! you must ber pretty stupid to ask "are you with me guys?" ofcourse they arnt you take horrible care of your animals! why would they side with you?

[riegfinnid]

I wish e burna would realize that providing enough care for an animal to stay alive is NOT proper care....

e burna...lets say someone puts you in a bathroom size room, gives you a blanket and feeds you water and lets say boiled potatos for the rest of your life but never talk to you or provide entertainment of any sort....Would you survive? Of course...Is it a 'good' life to live? hell no....

Thats what you're doing to your hamsters. snakes too probably

[o0sapphirerat0o]

sure here is my mix

www.ratsrule.com/diet.html it is where I got the idea, But I tweaked mine a bit. so here is MY version.

Holistic dog food (I use natural balance)
cherios
total
shreded wheat
puffed wheat
puffed rice
oatmeal(not alot, as to much can *bind* them, lol)
wacky mac veggie spirals (or tri-colored pasta)
raisens (for a treat, there is only about 5 per bowl of food)

mix it up, and you got a mix. I feed it to all 7 ratties and my syrian hamster. Plus they get yoggies, fruits, veggies and generally a little of whatever I am eating.

generaly anything without alot of sugar in it can be used in the mix (or not wet ;) )you can take rice cakes and break them up, add lots of other healthy cereals, etc...etc...

[hamsterhaven]

e burna...lets say someone puts you in a bathroom size room, gives you a blanket and feeds you water and lets say boiled potatos for the rest of your life but never talk to you or provide entertainment of any sort....Would you survive? Of course...Is it a 'good' life to live? hell no....

I think you have figured it out!!!! Surely, that is got to be what is wrong with him. He has definately been deprived in some way.

[sandy1370]

i got two snakes but i wouldnt breed my hamsters for that purpouse its cruel i hope u dont get to breed them hamster poor little things

[Jiffykat]

saving money VS. adding life through proper diet.........I think the adding life wins.I would normally have to agree with you however he is mistreating his HAMSTERS so much that it would probably be easier for them if they passed on and didn't have to deal with his crap anymore.

[jennawing]

I make mixes for all my rodents, too. My hamster mix is pretty much the same- though I don't put all those cereals at one time- just two or three. I also add millet seed and alfalfa pellets, split green peas, and the younger hamsters get sunflower seeds and dried fruit added in. I also add these into Sullivan's mix- as he is so tiny, even though he is a year old and I usually leave the extra fats and sugars out by 6-8 months old, depending on the hamster. I also use IAMs small bite dogfood. Of course, no peas or fruit added into 'Possum's mix as she is a dwarf- but she does still get the sunflower seeds, as she is a finicky eater, and I figure a little fat in what she DOES eat halps a little. Some people's hamsters won't eat the alfalfa- so you should be sure to add in a little extra fiber- like some wheat germ. I've only had one hamster that wouldn't eat the little green pellets- and that was before I started making my own mix.

Mouse mix- I use the above, mixed with Suebee's rat mix (which I use for my rats) and extra dogfood added in at a 1:1:1 ratio.

Suebees for the rats- extra dried fruit and some nuts added in for anyone below 6months old. Along with Nutro Lite dogfood and the younger get an oyster three times a week and the older get a cricket.

It takes about $20 to make hamster mix- and it lasts about 3 months between my 8 hamsters. This is much better than before- buying two bags of $5 mix a week. Best part- after some time of making mixes, you get a nice collection of rolled oats cans that make great places to store the food! I have to label them all, of course, cause it gets confusing after a while.

Ontop of this, everyone gets a little piece of veggie every morning while I'm feeding the guinea pigs. My pets eat better than the people around here.

[sandy1370]

i dont make my own mixes mine wont eat hamster food they only eat rabbit food
£1 20 a bag wat last me 2 weeks for 6 hamsters

[e burna]

you only think you are getting a better deal, lets weigh this out.

saving money VS. adding life through proper diet.........I think the adding life wins. BTW the crap at wal-mart is generaly either LM or Kaytee, I think they are one in the same, anywho they both contain ethoxyquin (sp??) which has been known to cause cancer. yea, you are SO getting the better deal.

deal with it, you are not taking proper care of your animals, and you are teaching your kids they are disposable.

No offense here, but with the life spans of these things at 1-3 years, they pretty much ARE disposable. If they live an extra month because I pay an extra $60, I think I'll pass on the $60 and let them die a month earlier. I could buy 8 more for the price of an "extra" month. Really don't see that as more beneficial to pay the extra $$. Now do you see where I'm coming from?

[e burna]

My pets eat better than the people around here.

Do you actually hear what you're saying here???

[nattu]

Why do you keep hamsters when you don't even care about them? You're obviously not a buddhist.

[sandy1370]

because i do care for them they my babies, ive had hamsters all my life, i love all kind of animals let me tell u wat animals ive got, 2 rabbits, 1 pg, 5 dwarf hamsters, 1 sybrian hamster, 2 boas, 2 corn snakes, 2 dogs, 1 cat, 1 budgie so u think i dont care about my animals, i think so,

[jennawing]

Do you actually hear what you're saying here???

Do you actually hear what YOU are saying?

Let me tell you a story. I think you need to hear it since you think hamsters are disposable. I think you need to understand more what wonderful pets they are and what place they have in the lives of people who can manage to be non-self-centered and care for another living creature.

See that little pictue in my avatar? That was Cream Soda. She was my first hamster. She was the sweetest, gentlest, boldest little hamster. She played with my cats, she went everywhere with us, she had every toy they made for hamsters. When she was 20 months old, she had heat stroke one day while we were out and the AC accidently got turned down. From the heat stroke, her lungs were weak, and she ended up with pneumonia. When she recovered from pneumonia, we found her one morning with blood on her bottom. By now she is 22 months old- her life expectancy runing out quickly. Did I just say- oh well, she's gonna die soon anyway? No. I spent a fortune on her- taking her to specialists, driving three hours to get there... she had a uterine infection and cervical cancer. She had surgery to remove her uterus. She picked out her stitches- back to the vet again. Her antibiotics got spilled- another few hours in the car for a refill from an associate vet- to try to save me a little time and distance. Well, this vet didn't actually see hamsters, and he overdosed her- and the overdosage shriveled some of her blood vessels causing a circulatory problem. Her ears dried up and shrank. Her tail and her toes turned black and fell off. I find a new specialist to take her to- nothing they can do for her. Only when she started acting old did I give up and let her rest. When she left us, I had to pay MORE to have her cremated than they would charge for a dog- because she was small and it was more of a job- adn it was also a bit of a bribe or enticement because they never cremated a hamster before and weren't so sure they wanted to start now.

She was a $6 hamster. She cost us roughly $1/week for bedding and food. In the end, she cost me close to $1000- why? Because we loved her. She deserved it. Because when I brought her into my home I was making her a promise that her life would be as perfect and happy as I could make it- and that if anything ever went wrong, I wouldn't stop trying to help her until SHE was ready to stop trying.

Now I have several animals- and they all get that same promise from me. I don't care how much money it costs- what things can you have after the basics of food and shelter and warmth can take the place of the love of an animal?

That's not remarkable in the least to most people on here. They understand what it is to love an animal- and would do as much as I or even more to give them what they need. I am very sorry for you that you don't have it inside you to feel that, too. Truly sorry.

[e burna]

See that little pictue in my avatar? That was Cream Soda. She was my first hamster. She was the sweetest, gentlest, boldest little hamster. She played with my cats, she went everywhere with us, she had every toy they made for hamsters. When she was 20 months old, she had heat stroke one day while we were out and the AC accidently got turned down. From the heat stroke, her lungs were weak, and she ended up with pneumonia. When she recovered from pneumonia, we found her one morning with blood on her bottom. By now she is 22 months old- her life expectancy runing out quickly. Did I just say- oh well, she's gonna die soon anyway? No. I spent a fortune on her- taking her to specialists, driving three hours to get there... she had a uterine infection and cervical cancer. She had surgery to remove her uterus. She picked out her stitches- back to the vet again. Her antibiotics got spilled- another few hours in the car for a refill from an associate vet- to try to save me a little time and distance. Well, this vet didn't actually see hamsters, and he overdosed her- and the overdosage shriveled some of her blood vessels causing a circulatory problem. Her ears dried up and shrank. Her tail and her toes turned black and fell off. I find a new specialist to take her to- nothing they can do for her. Only when she started acting old did I give up and let her rest. When she left us, I had to pay MORE to have her cremated than they would charge for a dog- because she was small and it was more of a job- adn it was also a bit of a bribe or enticement because they never cremated a hamster before and weren't so sure they wanted to start now.

She was a $6 hamster. She cost us roughly $1/week for bedding and food. In the end, she cost me close to $1000- why? Because we loved her. She deserved it. Because when I brought her into my home I was making her a promise that her life would be as perfect and happy as I could make it- and that if anything ever went wrong, I wouldn't stop trying to help her until SHE was ready to stop trying.


Ok, let me ask you a question...You paid a thousand dollars to keep this struggling hampster alive, all the while it was SUFFERING, (because of a mistake by you just for the record - air conditioning) when you could of just let it die peacefully and spent a thousand dollars on a needy kid? I just don't get it.

[riegfinnid]

[QUOTE=e burna]No offense here, but with the life spans of these things at 1-3 years, they pretty much ARE disposable. QUOTE]

thats a horrible thing to say...a life, just because its short, is disposable?


what if you had a kid that was born with some disease and the dr said that he/she will die young...would you care for your kid half assed then too just because you knew the kid wouldnt live long?

i think you're the most arrogant person ever.

[o0sapphirerat0o]

ACTUALLY if properlly taken care of rats/hamsters can live up to the 3+++ years (as in 4,5 even 6 years) if you are willing to spend the time and money on them. I believe someone posted on another site I go to about their rat hitting the 7 yr mark, with only hind end paralyss to fight with. But you would have probably just had the thing put to sleep or given it to a snake owner because you don't want to deal with it.

Small animals are NOT disposible.

Who are you to put one life over anothers?! That is SO egotistical, narrowminded and you are just plain arrogent and ignorant.

I can't believe you have kids, I feel so sorry for them and your wife/husband.

[e burna]

I believe someone posted on another site I go to about their rat hitting the 7 yr mark, with only hind end paralyss to fight with. But you would have probably just had the thing put to sleep or given it to a snake owner because you don't want to deal with it.


No, I would put it out of its mercy, the HUMANE thing to do, but that's just me. Sorry for being so humane.

[riegfinnid]

No, I would put it out of its mercy, the HUMANE thing to do, but that's just me. Sorry for being so humane.

lol wow you're the one to talk about 'humane' things to do...

one of my rats had hind legs paralized...she lived a happy long life. She would still run around (using front legs) and wrestle with her sister and do everything a normal rat does...
JUST because an animal is not perfectly healthy, there's no reason to kill it

Old people get really sick as they get older too...are you going to go around putting them out of thier 'mercy'( as you put it haha) too?

[sandy1370]

i didnt kill them they still alive and well i dont believe in killing animals and they healthy and i never said i killed them dont believe in killig animals and they 3yrs old now doing well

[jennawing]

First off- the pneumonia did not cause the cancer. Cancer is something that all female hamsters might get- they of into heat almost constantly- it is very hard on their girly bits.

Second, the AC off was an accident. The fact that she got pneumonia afterward was largely due to the ill-design of the cage. You live and you learn- and *I* have learned that crittertrail cages are deadly.

Third- I understand that you just don't get it. That was the point of setting myself up for your heartless criticism. What you need to do is give the hamsters away and feed your children to your snakes. Then next month, if they survived that round of poisoning, lay your own fat ass in the cage until the creatures get hungry enough to have a go at you. That would make a lot of people happy and hopefully there will be no more of you to polute the world with your hatefullness.

[e burna]

Second, the AC off was an accident. The fact that she got pneumonia afterward was largely due to the ill-design of the cage. You live and you learn- and *I* have learned that crittertrail cages are deadly.


Guess you should have done more research on your pets before buying them and letting them get sick like that due to your own negligence.

[jennawing]

I'm done. You will never learn. You are a sad person adn I feel sorry for your hamsters. NOT YOU- the hamsters.

[e burna]

I'm done. You will never learn. You are a sad person adn I feel sorry for your hamsters. NOT YOU- the hamsters.


Grow up. 'Nuff said.

[hamsterhaven]

Is e burna and Sandy1370 the same person. Everything I have read from Sandy1370 sounds like it is coming from left field?????????

[e burna]

Is e burna and Sandy1370 the same person. Everything I have read from Sandy1370 sounds like it is coming from left field?????????

Sorry hampsterhave, the mighty E-Burna is often imitated, but NEVER duplicated.

[hamsterhaven]

Sorry hampsterhave, the mighty E-Burna is often imitated, but NEVER duplicated.

Thank God for that!!!!!!!!!! I don't know if I could handle another one like you. God has shown mercy on me.

[o0sapphirerat0o]

Maybe you should have done more research before having children? Poor things should be taken away from you. You shouldn't even have charge over a living plant much less children.

She atleast does her research, and she takes responsibility for her actions. You don't you blame this that and another.

Hind end paralyss or however you spell it, is due to degeneration of the spinal nerves, and rats can live a long and healthy life with that DISABLITIY.

You don't kill kids that are born without legs simply because they have a disablitiy do you?
Well YOU probably do, but the rest of the world doesn't.

[Jiffykat]

Thank God for that!!!!!!!!!!I totally agree with you on this one!