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mfishman
05-06-05, 12:33 PM 05-06-05
i have a dwarf hamster and he has a very bad tumor.A vet is like 1 hour away from my house and we sent the pic to the vet and they said we cant fix it. So how can i put a hamster to death.

riegfinnid
05-06-05, 01:09 PM 05-06-05
well...where is the tumor? tumors dont hurt...they can cause problems for them when they walk but thats about it

is it big enough that the skin is all streched out and the fur has fallen out? can you see throught the skin?
when a tumor gets big enough and the skin is at its limit of stretching, usually fur falls out and the skin looks paper thin...sometimes you can actually see the little veins under it. THATS when its best to put the animal down as the tumor might burst the skin

mfishman
05-06-05, 01:50 PM 05-06-05
i can see like some veins. The tumor is on the back leg and everytime she walks she kinda steps on it

riegfinnid
05-06-05, 01:58 PM 05-06-05
oh...yeah then probably the tumor will burst before the hammie dies of old age or what not..

you know, the fastest way to do it would be with a hammer on the head...i know, it sounds horrible and it is, but its faster than anything else.

cant you make the trip to the vet, even if its an hour to have her put down properly and peacefully?

mfishman
05-06-05, 02:56 PM 05-06-05
well i have good news!!!!!!!!!! My freinds freind is a vet!!!!! and im gonna give him the hamster and he said that maybe he can make it better!!! :D

o0sapphirerat0o
05-06-05, 06:14 PM 05-06-05
well you said you sent a pic to the vet, post it here, it would be MUCH more helpful.

glad you found a vet.

Zouave
05-06-05, 06:22 PM 05-06-05
you know, the fastest way to do it would be with a hammer on the head...

If you did not have as many posts as you do I would think you a troll for saying something that awful.

I can just see some dumb kid pounding on a hamster with a hammer, either missing or not hitting too hard, or whatever.

The whole concept is demeaning to life and to caring for a pet. Go to a vet and pay a little, and then bury the pet deeply somewhere safe. Show some DIGNITY.

mfishman
05-06-05, 06:42 PM 05-06-05
wow.. sorry Zouave i did not know my post was offending

Zouave
05-06-05, 06:53 PM 05-06-05
It was. And in the hands of children it could be sadistic to the animal. A very very bad idea.

I do wish for EMERGENCIES I had a HUMANE way to euthanize an animal. One of mine was in great pain one Sunday night when no vets were available. Bashing her with a hammer I never considered. :p

mfishman
05-06-05, 07:11 PM 05-06-05
no offense to riegfinnid i would not ever bach my hammy with a hammer. i would not have the guts either.. :)

castiglione
05-06-05, 08:13 PM 05-06-05
If you can get your hands on chloroform or ether, that might be the most painless way of euthanizing your pet. Just make sure you use enough gas to kill it otherwise you'll end up doing more harm than good.

If you have access to a fire-arm or one of your parents does, a bullet to the head (.22 LR will do the trick) will also do the job. The best way is to put some treats down and while the animal is nibbling away, shoot it in the back of the head. Death is instantaneous and painless (provided you don't lose your nerve and miss, in which case it can be painful and horribly frightening).

Bashing on the head with a hammer is also instantaneous and painless. Again, the best method is to put down some treats and then strike the animal on the head. However, if you muck it up and miss or don't hit hard enough, the animal will suffer horribly.

NOTE - often, the most instantaneous and painless methods of putting an animal down are violent. That is logical when you consider that violent means of killing are FAST. The only reason we react negatively to them is because we, as a civilized society, have been (rightly) conditioned to abhor violence. This is a good thing in most cases but when it clouds our decision making process (in this case, involving how to painlessly end a suffering animal's life), it is not good. In the end, the only person who gets off easy is us, the owner, and not our pet. When the pet dies, it won't matter to it how it dies, merely that the end is fast and painless. If you really think about, completely rejecting these means of euthanization (assuming other means are not available) is nothing more than selfishness on our part.

With that being said, if you do opt for one of those means, you also will have to HONESTLY ask yourself if you could do the job without mucking it up. If you muck it up, your pet will suffer. If you can not honestly tell yourself that you can do the job, look for other means.

castiglione
05-06-05, 08:20 PM 05-06-05
BTW - I would urge you to go to the vet and, if euthanization is truly the only option, to have the vet do it.

I would also urge you to be present when the act is done. It will probably be more sad for you but I think the least that any pet owner can do for their pet is to be with them when they pass and not have them die with strangers.

There is also a practical reason for this - small animals such as hamsters, etc. have very small blood vessels. If the vet chooses to use a lethal injection to euthanize your pet, the usual method of injection into a blood vessel will not be possible and what some vets do is inject directly into the heart or stomach - this is EXTREMELY painful for the animal and should only be done after the animal has been anaesthized with gas. Do NOT let them do this to your pet if he/she is conscious.

Another option is to euthanize directly using gas ONLY.

Fluff N Roll
05-06-05, 09:24 PM 05-06-05
weren't you the one that said that you could blow it's head off if you got your hands on a fire arm. OMG what is rong with you...? This pore hamster has this tumor and people are saying to blow it's head off, how rong, I'm glad that you mfishman dont have the nerve or the gotts to do something like that.. Dont worry if you affend someone when it comes to something like that! Just make sure your hamie goes to the jet soon, see if you can get that picture on here!.

castiglione
05-06-05, 09:38 PM 05-06-05
Good God - take a deep breath.

The original poster asked about methods of euthanization. As unpleasant as it may seem, a .22 LR to the head is VERY humane, provided, of course, that one doesn't muck it up, i.e. miss.

By humane, I mean causing minimal or no physical pain and no emotional trauma (doesn't scare the jeebers out of it).

If you just thought about it objectively, you would see that I am right instead of flying off the handle with some knee-jerk emotional response.

castiglione
05-06-05, 09:44 PM 05-06-05
If you did not have as many posts as you do I would think you a troll for saying something that awful.

I can just see some dumb kid pounding on a hamster with a hammer, either missing or not hitting too hard, or whatever.

The whole concept is demeaning to life and to caring for a pet. Go to a vet and pay a little, and then bury the pet deeply somewhere safe. Show some DIGNITY.

How is it demeaning to life to pay someone to kill your pet rather than do it yourself? It still amounts to the same result.

And I hate to burst your bubble about vets but some of them don't take that much care when it comes to euthanizing small animals and some of them actually suffer greatly before they pass due to the methods used. Some vets actually recommend that owners of small animals euthanize them themselves as that is the only way to guarantee that it is done properly.

Fluff N Roll
05-06-05, 10:56 PM 05-06-05
I dont now if your just stupid or just taking up peoples time... No i wont look at what you said and think it's right, you know they put people in jail for things like that "filling animal" Why would you even bring something up like that..

Fluff N Roll
05-06-05, 10:59 PM 05-06-05
no offense to riegfinnid i would not ever bach my hammy with a hammer. i would not have the guts either.. :)

Did you read this reply!! ha? it says that he wouldn't have the gut's to do something like that!!!!!! That's just sad that you even think like that.. :(

mfishman
05-07-05, 05:10 AM 05-07-05
Did you read this reply!! ha? it says that he wouldn't have the gut's to do something like that!!!!!! That's just sad that you even think like that.. :(
Are you talkin to me?

mfishman
05-07-05, 05:27 AM 05-07-05
by the way my hammy does not even have a life she cant ride the wheel because when she does the tumor touches the wheel.Second of all all she does is sleep eat drink

mfishman
05-07-05, 05:27 AM 05-07-05
also does iodine or valerine work. BEcause on iodine it says poison

rodentz
05-07-05, 10:33 AM 05-07-05
How is it demeaning to life to pay someone to kill your pet rather than do it yourself? It still amounts to the same result.

And I hate to burst your bubble about vets but some of them don't take that much care when it comes to euthanizing small animals and some of them actually suffer greatly before they pass due to the methods used. Some vets actually recommend that owners of small animals euthanize them themselves as that is the only way to guarantee that it is done properly.


im sorry but that is a lie! they go peacfully! they go into a deep sleep they dont die painfully, and this is a PET forum for LIVE animals its pretty sick that ppl can even say something like this! please do not talk about killing your pets if you think they should die you souldnt own them

rodentz
05-07-05, 10:35 AM 05-07-05
by the way my hammy does not even have a life she cant ride the wheel because when she does the tumor touches the wheel.Second of all all she does is sleep eat drink


UMM... DUH!! ALL MOST HAMMIES DO IS EAT DRINK AND SLEEP!!IT IS THERE LIFE!! SO SHE DOES HAVE A LIFE!!!! WOW YOUR SELFISH

FuzzyLuvr
05-07-05, 10:37 AM 05-07-05
wow, this thread has gotten kind of morbid, but there is a point to what mfishman and castiglione are saying. How do you think people put their horses down? Or their cows? If they can't inject them with something, then they have to shoot them. It is the most quick and painless death they can give their animals.. The only other way would be to slit their throats or to bludgeon them, and those are no way to painlessly put down your animal. But as for hamsters and other rodents, shooting it might just blow their heads off or something morbid like that. I know it would probably by quick and relatively painless, but i wouldn't have the guts to do it, either. And what castiglione said about being there when your pet is put down, i think that is a basic duty for any pet owner. My dad had to put down our old Siberian Husky, and he made sure he was right there when it happened. My stepmom said she doesn't know how he could bear to stay there, but how could you NOT? It actually makes me very angry to think that you can just be selfish and walk away and leave your loved one to be put to sleep in a cold, sterylized place with strangers, especially if your animal is like a dog or something. It's a part of you, how could you just leave it there?! Have some friggin' courage and buck up. Stop being selfish and just DO it for your pet! This is the moment when they probably need you most! --- anyway, i'm done ranting.

riegfinnid
05-07-05, 10:37 AM 05-07-05
If you did not have as many posts as you do I would think you a troll for saying something that awful.

I can just see some dumb kid pounding on a hamster with a hammer, either missing or not hitting too hard, or whatever.

The whole concept is demeaning to life and to caring for a pet. Go to a vet and pay a little, and then bury the pet deeply somewhere safe. Show some DIGNITY.


Ok guys...i knew saying that would be a bad idea...Didd you read the rest of my post? I DID say they should just drive out to the VET, even if it is an hour away...
I personally would never be able to do that either...at least i dont think so. BUT the person asked a question about a fast way to do it, and i answered...
sorry if some of you got upset.

riegfinnid
05-07-05, 10:40 AM 05-07-05
im sorry but that is a lie! they go peacfully! they go into a deep sleep they dont die painfully, and this is a PET forum for LIVE animals its pretty sick that ppl can even say something like this! please do not talk about killing your pets if you think they should die you souldnt own them


its not a lie,well not really. Do you know how small animals are usualy put to sleep? Since their veins are too small, the final shot goes into the heart or stomache..Do you think THAT doesnt hurt?? And vets wont use anasthesia unless requested by owner (because its expensive).

mfishman
05-07-05, 10:54 AM 05-07-05
UMM... DUH!! ALL MOST HAMMIES DO IS EAT DRINK AND SLEEP!!IT IS THERE LIFE!! SO SHE DOES HAVE A LIFE!!!! WOW YOUR SELFISH

IM SELFISH?? HAMSTER PLAY. lIKE IN THE WHEEL RUN AROUND. ALL SHE DOES IS EAT DRINK AND SLEEP NO PLAYING WHAT DONT YOU UNDERSTAND

mfishman
05-07-05, 10:57 AM 05-07-05
Thank You Fuzzy Lover For Not Being An Ahole Like Some Other Person HerE

Chaos
05-07-05, 11:56 AM 05-07-05
I'd like to point out that euthanizing small animals through injection is painful, because their veins are so small they have to inject them in the heart I think. And thats painful.

Yes it sounds horribly cruel to hit your beloved pet over the head with a hammer or shoot it. I could never do it myself, but it is faster and less painless then an injection. Of course if the hamster/small animal is put under anasthesia first it dosn't hurt, which is the way it should be done.

An injection is more peaceful though, which is why most people opt for it because they can be with the animal and hold them until the end.

riegfinnid
05-07-05, 11:58 AM 05-07-05
I'd like to point out that euthanizing small animals through injection is painful, because their veins are so small they have to inject them in the heart I think. And thats painful.

Yes it sounds horribly cruel to hit your beloved pet over the head with a hammer or shoot it. I could never do it myself, but it is faster and less painless then an injection. Of course if the hamster/small animal is put under anasthesia first it dosn't hurt, which is the way it should be done.

An injection is more peaceful though, which is why most people opt for it because they can be with the animal and hold them until the end.


thank you, thats what i've been saying...

rodentz
05-07-05, 12:04 PM 05-07-05
Of course if the hamster/small animal is put under anasthesia first it dosn't hurt, which is the way it should be done.

An injection is more peaceful though, which is why most people opt for it because they can be with the animal and hold them until the end.


exactly, thats what i mean :D


and mfishman, i know hamsters play! but they eat, sleep and drink, to and if your hamster is eating, and drinking and sleeping just because its not playing is no reason to kill it!! if you even cared you would drive it to the vet and atleast let it die a better way!!

Fluff N Roll
05-07-05, 12:40 PM 05-07-05
Are you talkin to me?


NO I WASN'T TALKING TO YOU.. I WAS TALKING TO "castiglione" AT THAT TIME. if you dont want your hammie to suffer any more just take him to the vet and ask for him to be put to sleep, the most painless way ever! You guys are making a bigger deal out of what could have been taken care of so easy.. :( I feell so bad for this pore hammie :(

If you blew off it's head, would you really wont to clean that up?

Or if you slit it's neck?

Or any thing els like that...

Like i said they put people in jail foe stuff like that "animal abuse" you take an animal to a vet, not blow it's head off!! :mad:
-Dakota

rodentz
05-07-05, 12:49 PM 05-07-05
fluff and roll, atleast you agree with me! i cant belive this is even being discused on here!!!!!

mfishman
05-07-05, 01:33 PM 05-07-05
well first of all i do care about my hammie if i did not i would just throw it out in the woods behind my house. second of all from what i heard INJECTIONS ARE PAINFULL Third of all i would never slit my hammies throat or shoot it. I was thinking of something diffrent to do like give it some poison in a drink or something so it would die INSTANTLY AND BE BETTER THEN A INJECTION.

Fluff N Roll
05-07-05, 02:01 PM 05-07-05
what the hell!!! Poison, he will bleed from the inside out> and if you got to the vet and ask to get him put under, before he gets the shot it wont hurt as much, or if you ask for it not to be put into the belly... You want to poison him! you shouldn't have any animals! :mad:

mfishman
05-07-05, 02:46 PM 05-07-05
sorry!!!!! i did not know that hell bleed from the inside out i guess he can just live until he dies

mfishman
05-07-05, 04:34 PM 05-07-05
oop sorry in my last post i said i do not know that hell bleed. i meant they

Fluff N Roll
05-07-05, 05:09 PM 05-07-05
you shouldn't own any pets!! ust take him to a vet, drop him off at the SPCA (they will thake care of him, you obviously don't love or care for him!!) I dont even know what els to say :mad: just plain mad..

mfishman
05-07-05, 07:03 PM 05-07-05
you shouldn't own any pets!! ust take him to a vet, drop him off at the SPCA (they will thake care of him, you obviously don't love or care for him!!) I dont even know what els to say :mad: just plain mad..
ARE YOU BLIND I SAID IM TAKIN IT TO THE VETS. IF YOUR GONNA ACT LIKE A BOSS THEN HOW BOUT YOU COME AND GET HIM. Third of all ive been haven hamsters for bout 8 years so dont teach me please

Zouave
05-07-05, 10:11 PM 05-07-05
Injections should NOT be painful if done correctly - why should insist on always being present when it is done even if sad for you. You owe it to the pet. If not done correctly, complain, and report to government and Humane agencies.

My point above was in an EMERGENCY when an animal is suddenly screaming in pain and no vet is available. . . well, that hapened to me when Rainy who was afflicted with some brain disporder that caused her to limp alot suddenly had painful seizures one Sunday night. I could not even find a dog vet at 10 PM on a Sunday night. It ended after an hour, and she slipped into unconsciousness and soon died.

I have discussed this with other people - emergency euthanasia. I was hesitant to do so as it might give cheap people ideas about how to save a little money at the vet. We rejected the freezer idea as too painful. Someone mentioned carbon dioxide suffocation using dry ice (?), but where do I get dry ice on a Sunday night?

Glad you are going to the vet.

mfishman
05-08-05, 05:21 AM 05-08-05
i went to a freakin diffrent vet who said he can fix it i traveled 2 hours. he looked at it and gave some antibiotics

FuzzyLuvr
05-08-05, 09:39 AM 05-08-05
out of curiosity, how and why did you put down your rat?

o0sapphirerat0o
05-08-05, 10:37 AM 05-08-05
and out of curiosity, instead of putting the hammie down, why not take it to the vet and have the tumor removed?

mfishman
05-08-05, 11:40 AM 05-08-05
omg thank yuo so much mandapanda for understanding your one of the normal people!!! Sapphirerat get the tumor removed very funny you know how much it costs 567 dollars would you pay that much?

Nani And Tater
05-08-05, 11:41 AM 05-08-05
If you were too far out and coulndnt see a doctor and your best friend had something that was painful to them and would eventually mean death, would you just quitley walk up to them and blow there head off? Or would you wait till they wer asleep and drop a rock on their head? If you wouldnt do it to your best human friend then you shouldnt do it to your pet. How could anyone be so mean to an animal thats been taken out of the wild and brought indoors and then you just blow its head off how could anyone do that? If you love you pet you could never do that to them. You should never use violent means of killing an animal!

Fluff N Roll
05-08-05, 12:30 PM 05-08-05
ARE YOU BLIND I SAID IM TAKIN IT TO THE VETS. IF YOUR GONNA ACT LIKE A BOSS THEN HOW BOUT YOU COME AND GET HIM. Third of all ive been haven hamsters for bout 8 years so dont teach me please

i WOULD COME AND GET HIM IF YOU WERNT SO FAR AWAY.. ERR!!!

I'M NOT ACTING LIKE A BOSS, I'M JUST TRYING TO DO THE RIGHT THING... AND SHOW YOU SO COMMON SINCE, BECUASE YOU DONT HAVE ANY... "YOU WANTED TO PIOSON YOU HAMMIE FOR GODS SAKE..

well first of all i do care about my hammie if i did not i would just throw it out in the woods behind my house. second of all from what i heard INJECTIONS ARE PAINFULL Third of all i would never slit my hammies throat or shoot it. I was thinking of something diffrent to do like give it some poison in a drink or something so it would die INSTANTLY AND BE BETTER THEN A INJECTION.

dONT TEACH YOU PLEASE, DONT TEACH YOU, OMFG, SOME ONE BETTER.. BEFORE SOME ONE REALLY DIES! yOU 19 RIGHT WELL FOR SOME ONE AT YOUR AGE, YOU REALLY ARE STUPID AND DONT HAVE ANY COMMON SINCE. SO DONT TELL ME I'M BEING A BOSS AND DONT TELL ME NOT TO TECH YOU A THING OR TWO, BECAUSE YOU SURE NEED TO LEARN. WE ALL COULD STILL LEARN, AT THIS TIME YOU REALLY SHOW THAT YOU NEED IT.. :mad:

-DAKOTA

mfishman
05-08-05, 01:10 PM 05-08-05
WELL YOU ARE ACTING LIKE A BOSS IT SEEMS LIKE YOU ARE THE ONLY ONE WHO IS GOING MAD CRAZY ON HERE. yOU COULD OF TOLD ME ALL THIS CRAP CALMLY AND WHEN I SAID POISON IT I SAID SO IT DIES RIGHT AWAY

o0sapphirerat0o
05-08-05, 04:01 PM 05-08-05
STOP YELLING, you are acting like a 2 yr old child "quit bossin me around, you ain't my momma". Jeeze.

YES I would pay it, I would probably also go to other vets to see what they would charge.

when you poison something, it does NOT die quickly, it is usually a very long and PAINFUL death.


Just because someone has had a specific animal for 8 years doesn't mean they will know anything about them. I know people that has had dogs and cats all their lives, still feed crappy food, refuse to go to the vet, and gives their dogs mass quantities of chocolate. So because these people have ownded dogs and cats for 15+ years, they must know EVERYTHING right?

*rollseyes*

mfishman
05-08-05, 04:40 PM 05-08-05
well you know what if you are going to roll your eyes or somthing like that then GET OUT OF THIS THREAD IF YOU HAVE A PROBLEM

mfishman
05-08-05, 06:44 PM 05-08-05
thats what your saying right now but you would not pay THOUSANDS of dollars

Zouave
05-08-05, 07:03 PM 05-08-05
omg thank yuo so much mandapanda for understanding your one of the normal people!!! Sapphirerat get the tumor removed very funny you know how much it costs 567 dollars would you pay that much?

I simple do not believe you as it could not have cost anywhere near that much. Take a photo of your vet bill and please post it for proof. (No offense).

Fluff N Roll
05-08-05, 07:08 PM 05-08-05
people just STOP waisting your time on this person, all he is doning is waisting our time..! :mad: He needs to grow up! Ya i'm mad i'm so pissed off, It's a good thing your not my animal, lol. sorry that came out rong :laughing: I love every animal i have, and i would sacrifice my own life for one of theres.. It doesn't sound like you'd do the same? All of these peole are trying to help you, "i was, but now i just... have no more faith in people like you" I just cant stand hearing things like this!

You want to tell people to get out of this tread when they get upset! that is some bull ****, like i said we were trying to help but you dont want it.
-Dakota

Fluff N Roll
05-08-05, 07:10 PM 05-08-05
I dont know but not that much

o0sapphirerat0o
05-08-05, 07:24 PM 05-08-05
How can you MFISHMAN tell mandapanda what she would or would not do, you do not know her personally, and do not know what she would or would not do!

I PERSONALLY belive she would pay the money for her pets.


well you know what, if you are going to scream and yell like a child, then why don't YOU jump this forum? Because if you have to resort to that crap then you ovbiously can't take it that people are willing to fight you back!

mfishman
05-08-05, 07:27 PM 05-08-05
ok who said im yelling and screamin second of all i said it costs that much i nevers said i got it fixed third of all thankyou for your help but your saying im not appreciating it but i am you guys dont have to be rude thats all...

o0sapphirerat0o
05-08-05, 07:30 PM 05-08-05
typing in caps means your "yellin and screamin".

we know you never got it fixed. And *personaly* I don't care if you appreciate the advice, you came on here ASKING for advice, and you heard things you didn't like.

If you can't stand harsh statements, then stop going to public forums where people can state their opinions.

mfishman
05-08-05, 07:30 PM 05-08-05
because i said this and that does not mean you have to be mean..

mfishman
05-08-05, 07:32 PM 05-08-05
see why are you being mean again...

mfishman
05-08-05, 07:33 PM 05-08-05
by the way you said i was asking for advice i know i was.. but what was i asking.. thats not what you guys are giving me advice on

Fluff N Roll
05-08-05, 07:34 PM 05-08-05
ok who said im yelling and screamin second of all i said it costs that much i nevers said i got it fixed third of all thankyou for your help but your saying im not appreciating it but i am you guys dont have to be rude thats all...


you sure do have a crazy way of showing it! :rolleyes:

And your the one that has ben saying we are yelling

well you know what if you are going to roll your eyes or somthing like that then GET OUT OF THIS THREAD IF YOU HAVE A PROBLEM

You can tell when some one is upset, mad, or raising there voise! when you capitlize all your words.

o0sapphirerat0o
05-08-05, 07:35 PM 05-08-05
yes we were, just not what you wanted to hear.

RodentKing
05-08-05, 08:45 PM 05-08-05
All mfishman did is bring up an extremely complex ethical issue that everyone feels differently about.

I had to make the final decision to have my dog Johnson put to sleep last 4th of July. Worst thing I have ever had to do in my life. She was old, had cancer, and was obviously suffering. I still couldn't bring myself to watch her die though, my mom went in the room but I simply couldn't handle it. My mom couldn't make the decision as she was too emotional. Deciding to end the life of any creature, no matter how small, is going to be a difficult decision. FIRST thing that needs to be done in absolutely any case is take the animal to the vet. If you cannot afford a vet then by god take it to the SPCA or the humane society. Seriously think about what it would take emotionally for you to take some hard object and hit your small animal with it in the head so hard that it caused instant death...Seriously just think about that. I could never and would never do it.

now this last part i mean to be "shouting"

To everyone who claims shooting or bludgeoning your animal is painless : SHUT YOUR GOD DAMN MOUTHS. YOU HAVE NO IDEA WHAT THE ANIMALS CONCEPT OF PAIN IS. IT'S CALLED THE EGOCENTRIC PREDICAMENT. YOU CAN NEVER TRUELY EXPERIENCE WHATEVER PAIN THE ANIMAL MAY OR MAY NOT FEEL SO STOP MAKING ASSUMPTIONS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

FuzzyLuvr
05-08-05, 11:27 PM 05-08-05
To everyone who claims shooting or bludgeoning your animal is painless : SHUT YOUR GOD DAMN MOUTHS. YOU HAVE NO IDEA WHAT THE ANIMALS CONCEPT OF PAIN IS. IT'S CALLED THE EGOCENTRIC PREDICAMENT. YOU CAN NEVER TRUELY EXPERIENCE WHATEVER PAIN THE ANIMAL MAY OR MAY NOT FEEL SO STOP MAKING ASSUMPTIONS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

In regards to this egocentric idea, that may be true, but then according to our egocentrism, getting injections through needle and having a substance coursing through our bodies is supposed to be painless, too. How do we know that what we are injecting, and the injection itself, since they are such small animals, isn't painless just because we experience less pain? And getting shot with a .22 might be a painful experience, but only for a split second. I said it would probably be a relatively painless death. I'm a lot more uncomfortable with bludgeoning..........So we just don't know. How long does it take the lethal injection to kill an animal? Actually, how does the injection kill them, exactly? Does it cause their hearts to stop working? THeir lungs? What? I've never known exactly.

Fluff N Roll
05-09-05, 10:52 AM 05-09-05
All mfishman did is bring up an extremely complex ethical issue that everyone feels differently about.

I had to make the final decision to have my dog Johnson put to sleep last 4th of July. Worst thing I have ever had to do in my life. She was old, had cancer, and was obviously suffering. I still couldn't bring myself to watch her die though, my mom went in the room but I simply couldn't handle it. My mom couldn't make the decision as she was too emotional. Deciding to end the life of any creature, no matter how small, is going to be a difficult decision. FIRST thing that needs to be done in absolutely any case is take the animal to the vet. If you cannot afford a vet then by god take it to the SPCA or the humane society. Seriously think about what it would take emotionally for you to take some hard object and hit your small animal with it in the head so hard that it caused instant death...Seriously just think about that. I could never and would never do it.

now this last part i mean to be "shouting"

To everyone who claims shooting or bludgeoning your animal is painless : SHUT YOUR GOD DAMN MOUTHS. YOU HAVE NO IDEA WHAT THE ANIMALS CONCEPT OF PAIN IS. IT'S CALLED THE EGOCENTRIC PREDICAMENT. YOU CAN NEVER TRUELY EXPERIENCE WHATEVER PAIN THE ANIMAL MAY OR MAY NOT FEEL SO STOP MAKING ASSUMPTIONS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


I am with you "rodentking" All that i have been doing is trying to stop him from doing any thing that he will regret :confused: or that will end up harming his hammie.. I dont even know why shooting him, piosoning him, or bashing him in on the head even came up...

I know that it hurts to put your animal to sleep. In my year i there have been 2 dogs but down and just last year my hamster died, but it wasnt any thing like this, it was of old age. She was the love of my life, but if sommething had been rong i would have taken care of it.

How is your hammie doing? What did the vet say.. Or did you take care of it? I hope that he is ok "after all of this" I hope he is ok :worried:
-Dakota

mfishman
05-09-05, 12:06 PM 05-09-05
thanks for your concern fluffnroll!!!!! i was amazed about it i gave it to my freind and he returned it to me he gave me some pills hopefully he will pull through all of this

riegfinnid
05-09-05, 12:09 PM 05-09-05
what pills and for what?? pills wont do anything for a tumor..

Fluff N Roll
05-09-05, 12:23 PM 05-09-05
thanks for your concern fluffnroll!!!!! i was amazed about it i gave it to my freind and he returned it to me he gave me some pills hopefully he will pull through all of this


I know i was mad at you! believe me i was, "at the beginning." But know I dont know what is going with you hamster, :frown: When i hear about an animal in pore condition i get upset, because i wish i could something about it, when you said :mfishman: : to come and get him if i was so concerced, i know you didn't mean it, but i took it that way..

I'm not sure how much a tumor hurts, but if you cant do something soon you may just have to put him down! I know, I know, but he may be suffering more if you dont do anything.

I'm glad that you see that i'm concered. :scratchchin:
-Dakota

mfishman
05-09-05, 01:05 PM 05-09-05
antibiotics/pills you have to put it in his drinks. Fluffnroll im glad we made up :D

Fluff N Roll
05-09-05, 01:12 PM 05-09-05
ya i hate yelling i get headaces really easy. lol notjoking

Fluff N Roll
05-09-05, 01:13 PM 05-09-05
well not yelling. you know what i mean. lol geting upet and reading that kind of stuff

mfishman
05-09-05, 01:18 PM 05-09-05
yeah i know what you mean!!!

riegfinnid
05-09-05, 01:39 PM 05-09-05
antibiotics/pills you have to put it in his drinks. Fluffnroll im glad we made up :D


i'm confused....why does your hamster need antibiotics? that wont do anything for a tumor

what's the name of the pill? a lot of antibiotics are not water soluable and those that are, are usually sensetive to light so you have to cover the water bottle so the antibiotics will stay active..

mfishman
05-09-05, 02:11 PM 05-09-05
i dont know what it is called it just a white can.. yah my freind told me to wrap it up in foil

riegfinnid
05-09-05, 02:19 PM 05-09-05
ok...
but why is the hamster on antibiotics for a tumor?? i mean, what is the reason behind it? what did your friend tell you?

mfishman
05-09-05, 03:11 PM 05-09-05
he told me that this will make the tumor get smaller

mfishman
05-09-05, 03:12 PM 05-09-05
wait a second maybe he got it confused with an abcess???

riegfinnid
05-09-05, 03:46 PM 05-09-05
absess...ok...sometimes antibiotics can help...abcess is usually just drained and THEN put on antibiotics...

you know, a vet should be able to take care of that easily..just tell the vet to pretend its a very little kitten lol the procedure is the same...

riegfinnid
05-09-05, 03:47 PM 05-09-05
is the absess kind of soft and seems to be fluid filled? or kind of hard? if its hard than its a tumor and antibiotics wont do anything

Fluff N Roll
05-09-05, 04:16 PM 05-09-05
this thread has totoally changed! :confused: :)

Fluff N Roll
05-09-05, 04:17 PM 05-09-05
i meant in a good way! :rolleyes:

mfishman
05-09-05, 05:27 PM 05-09-05
well its kinda looks soft

riegfinnid
05-09-05, 06:17 PM 05-09-05
lol what do you mean 'looks soft'....why dont you just touch it...

mfishman
05-10-05, 04:06 AM 05-10-05
well i have to go to college now,ill touch when i come back from class. it looks soft because ahhhh i cant really explain it

riegfinnid
05-10-05, 09:08 AM 05-10-05
um...ok.
it takes two seconds to touch something...

mfishman
05-10-05, 12:11 PM 05-10-05
um.. ok what i was already late enough i got to college 10 mins late so i dont think i had extra time for anything

mfishman
05-10-05, 12:28 PM 05-10-05
ok i picked her up it was not to squishy it was kinda squishy i noticed that their was a tiny bit of blood on my hand

riegfinnid
05-10-05, 12:51 PM 05-10-05
is the skin ripping? does it look flaky at all?
tumor can do that since the sskin starts to kind of die off from not enough blood and will become flaky

absess can burst too and will have yellowish or bloody liquid coming out...

if its an absess and its as big as you say it is, it really needs to be drained as the infection may spread and then no antibiotic will help....

TiaMaria
05-10-05, 03:24 PM 05-10-05
Just shut up about the whole thing, if someone wants to put it's hamster out of misery go for it, I prefer just letting it die in the happiness of his or her home. Then take it outside and give it a proper funeral.

Fluff N Roll
05-10-05, 11:26 PM 05-10-05
:rolleyes: