Looking for a black Puggle

[logan21]

Does anyone know of any black puggles for sale. I am from Ohio. Would travel to get one!!

Thanks!!
Logan

[Spudnik]

Puggles (http://www.petshub.com/forums/showthread.php?t=9663).

If I've understood correctly, you are moving into a property that does not allow animals... so why?

[logan21]

The pup isn't for me. It's a present for my g/f..who already has a pug and wants a playmate for her. She saw a black puggle and fell in love. So i thought i would be nice and try to surprise her with one. I have like a month to try and find one before her b-day.

[Spudnik]

A month isn't long enough to find a responsible breeder.

And a responsible breeder won't even think about breeding 'Puggles', or any other mutt.

How about instead, you look around the shelters for a pug mix, or another cute small dog, and take her to visit it? Not the same, I know... but you'd be saving a life, and you wouldn't be supporting a back yard breeder who has no care for the animals dying in shelters.

[eviloxygen]

1.) A puggle is not a real dog its a Backyard breeder's way to make money so go to the pound.

2.) Dont ever buy a living thing as a gift, its a big responsiblity have numerous dogs and your girlfriend needs to be a part of picking one out. Just because she saw one and thought it was cute doesnt mean she has the means to support another dog. Would you go buy her a baby because she thought one was cute???? NO, see no difference still a living thing.

3.) Your going to hate us all because we will tell you the same thing, save your "surprise" for a dozen roses and a teddy bear. How about you blind fold her and take her to the pound to pick out her new puppy companion if she finds one that suits her, this way you will still have a surprise and your GF will know what she's in for.

[logan21]

well puggles do exist, so someone out there must be breeding them.
It doesn't have to come from some well-established breeder for it to be a good dog. Maybe there is a family somewhere that has one, that needs to get rid of it (for a good reason).
And why isn't a month long enough to find someone? You can find a good source in a couple days if you look in the right places. Its not like I am doing a background search and urine test.

[Spudnik]

If you're thinking of places like nextdaypets, you won't find a reputable breeder. Anyone willing to be a responsible pet owners will spend months, often years, just to find a responsible breeder, carrying out interviews and checks on the parents. You can't do that in one months, and the checks won't turn out nice when the dog you're after only comes from a BYB.

Of course, someone is breeding them. Back yard breeders who do it for the money and don't care about the health of the dog. If you want to risk your girlfriend having to end up spending thousands when she founds out that her lovely surprise has some sort of genetic disease, then hell yeah. Go for it, mate.

I know that your intentions are to surprise and please your girlfriend... but this isn't the way to go about it. A LOT of preparation should go into owning a dog.

[eviloxygen]

no yea i mean a month phewww no prob find one tommorow! i mean its just a living breathing animal that will reside with you for the next 12-20 years who cares where you get it from!!!!! what are we stupid trying to find someone who breeds a good dog and wont cost us thousands of dollars in vet fees????? WOW i see a whole new light now.............

[logan21]

Yes, great analogy. It's almost the same as getting her a baby!

[Spudnik]

I don't know whether that was sarcastic or not... but yes, it is.

[eviloxygen]

Well let me put it this way Logan its not like buying her some roses and a nice dinner.

[logan21]

i know i get what you are trying to say. and thanks for the advice. I have had a dog, who i got from a great breeder. And i did research on them. So i do know what to look for and how to go about it. I wasn't just gona have someone ship me this poor pup without checking it out a couple times.

[Spudnik]

I'm glad that you've taken our opinions into account, but I stress that I do feel that if you want a crossbreed, you should go to a shelter. If they are breeding mutts, they are breeding for money, not for health.

[logan21]

well that whole reason i got on here was just to see if anyone had any info on a black puggle. I wasn't asking for breeders names or anything. Just looking for any general info on getting one.

[eviloxygen]

We are giving you information on what you asked a puggle. They are a mutt plain and simple. You may find a "breeder" but alas they are not a breeder they are allowing two unneutered dogs of different sexes to have sex to charge 500$$ or more for essentially pound puppies. What we are suggesting is to go to the pound and find a beagle pug mix i'm sure they are out there. look on petfinder. com as well. Its hard to give you information on a MUTT there is no breed type or information on a dog that doesnt exist in any other way then to make money

[logan21]

well i was hoping maybe someone would read this that maybe had one or new someone that did and would know some info on them...mutt or not.

[Jennicat]

Well, I do have an idea for you. If you really want to get your girlfriend and dog, and that's what she really wants, go and buy a collar and wrap it for her. That can act as the "surprise", but then you can go together and look at dogs so she can meet the pup that ends up coming home with you.

There are lots of puggles in shelters, and most of them are already socialized and trained. Why not check petfinder.com and see if there's anyone near you?

http://www.petfinder.com/pet.cgi?action=2&pet=4322019&adTarget=&SessionID=42f26815440e07ef-app4&display=&preview=1&row=0&tmpl=&stat=

I don't know how close you are to this fella, but it may be worth checking out. :)

[eviloxygen]

Welli own the beagle part and there great loving caring food motivated hard to train dogs. They are very stubborn but love unconditionally so any beagle mix will have some of these qualities hopefully

[Spudnik]

'He is available to an approved rescue with a foster program. I do not adopt to individuals.'

But yeah, petfinder is a great place to look. It doesn't have to be a surprise to be a great gift for her... it is extremely unwise to surprise someone with a pet. If the pup ends up with a genetic health problem, she's not going to be too happy with you if she has to fork out thousands. The pup might well end up in the shelter.

[logan21]

a beagle is what i had. i know what great dogs they are. i suggested that, but she wants the mix..since she has the pug and loves it so much. There's no winning an aruement with her.

[eviloxygen]

i wasnt tellin you not to get what shes looking for i was just helping you out. I strongly urge her to go the local humane societys and rescues around her and you so that she can find a cute cross that she will want for the rest of its life. Many people go to the shelter for a CERTAIN dog and fall completely in love with another!! Dont surprise her please let the dog pick her out it'll be a great enough surprise for her to get a new addition to the family.

[KTS CAVIES]

Try the Humane Society of Greater Akron, Summit County Dog Pound, Stark County Dog Pound, Portage County dog pound and the many other pounds within a 15-45 minute drive from you.

I'm in Akron and do guinea pig rescue, but I do know there are hundreds of pugs, beagles and the mix of the two lingering in shelters just waiting for a place to call home before they are killed.

www.petfinder.com

I agree with everyone else. Pets are not gifts.

[mr gerbil]

My view:

Any BYB who breeds mutts, calls them a fancy name, and charges pedigree prices (or more) for them, is mad.

Anyone who buys a 'puggle', 'labradoodle', etc, in knowledge that it's a crossbreed, is either mad or very, very stupid.

If you're bent on getting a mongrel, go down to the local animal shelter. There are many great dogs there, most of which will be killed shortly.

And realise that you're not buying a great breed, you're being completely ripped off by a pikey (is that word allowed?) who's selling you a mongrel that is probably inbred through several generations, has many genetic faults, and probably hasn't been vaccinated, checked, etc.
Proper breeders don't breed mutts in that way.

I personally don't think that a dog is a good suprise present. I don't think that any animal is a good suprise present.

The collar/lead idea was good. Suprise, and time for discussion.

1 month is too short a time for getting a dog, unless perhaps you have years and years of experience behind you.
Researching breeds, info, looking at different dogs, getting supplies...it takes time and patience. Don't have a deadline.

[brandy pup]

MUCH ADO ABOUT POO
http://www.canismajor.com/dog/poodogs.html

CROSSBREEDS
http://www.netpets.com/dogs/newsroom/crossbreeds1.html

Hybrids
http://members.tripod.com/antique_fcr/goodbreeder.html#cockapoo

Cockerpoos
http://www.faqs.org/faqs/dogs-faq/mixed-breeds/cockapoos/

Buying a mutt
http://www.learntobreed.com/mutts.html

[creativz]

Does anyone know of any black puggles for sale. I am from Ohio. Would travel to get one!!How about travelling to save one ?! :)

[logan21]

what do you mean?

[creativz]

How about travelling to save one ?! :)Have you visited any shelters ? Thought about 'rescuing' one as a surprise ?

[logan21]

no i havent yet. I was just curious to see if anyone knew of any.

[creativz]

You might find exactly what you're looking for ! Worth a try saving a worthy life.

[misscrosson]

Hey,

If you're still looking for a puggle pup I have found afew places where you might be able to find some... but, you really do have to do some traveling! lol... I'm from Canada.. so I tried my best to find a breeder... but, they're not black.. sorry!

http://www.puppiesdirect.com/ppv20/classifiedsphp/index.php?method=showhtmllist&list=classifiedscategory&rollid=58&fromfromlist=classifiedscategory&fromfrommethod=showhtmllist&fromfromid=29&clearoff=1

You also might be able to find something at:...

www.adpost.com
www.petfinder.com

[shadowolf]

Why would you want to support BYB's Logan 21?
A puggle isnt even a real breed.. It is a mix between a pug and a beagle, if I am correct.

Why dont you look into getting your friend a purebred Pug or beagle from a reputable breeder?? it is wayyy worth it..

ORRR.... goto a breed specific shelter..

I dont support BYB at all.. it is stupid.

here is a couple rescue sites in Ohio.
Ohio pug rescue (http://www.ohiopugrescue.com/)

beagle rescue (http://www.beaglesrus.org/)

dog rescues in ohio (http://muttcats.com/shelters/ohio.htm)


:cool:
good luck

[Spudnik]

I checked out Puppy Paradise (Puppies direct)... Now I don't know whether to laugh or cry :confused:

[Pippin]

More like "Puppy Purgatory"!!! :frown:

[misscrosson]

Yeah.... idk... I was just trying to be of some help.... the dogs I have now I got them all from shelters... and I'm hope this weekend to get approved for another dog... :)

[FemaleWriter]

From what I've seen...dogs from shelters are way cheaper than these so called designer dogs. Not only will you be saving a life, making your gf happy, but you’ll be saving money that you could put towards something else.

In this area, I think our mutt was about $80...I don't know exactly, because it was almost 6 years ago...prices might change.

Last time I was in a, ummm, pet store....the one I hate supporting (but it's the closest pet store). They had mutts in there for over $500 and I think I saw a purebred for about $300....now that is crazy (mutts costing more than purebreds).

And even in the papers....I think I saw a puggle listed once...we have a pug rescue in the area and beagles seem to be somewhat popular...one plus one make who knows what. Anyway, the ad listed them for over $500.

Again, you can check out your local shelter and maybe you'll find a puggle for $100.....a lot cheaper than one from a BYB.

The least you would have to wait with a shelter is about 48 hours....or at least the shelters in this area have a 48 hour waiting period (gives the shelter time to do a background/veterinary/reference check on you and give you time to decide if the dog you chose is the one you want).

I agree with the idea someone had. Give her the dog collar and maybe a gift certificate for a local pet store (where she can buy doggy stuff for her new pup).

Maybe after she sees that gift, you guys could set a date to go to the local shelter. That's always fun. Then she and her new puppy can find each other. If you want to give the puppy to her as a gift...you can still pay the adoption fee and whatever donation you feel would make her happy too.

Whatever you decide, good luck!

~Christine

[brandy pup]

FINDING A RESPONSIBLE BREEDER
http://members.tripod.com/antique_fcr/goodbreeder.html

[lastunicorn86]

ok, just so you guys don't attack me, i in no way condone BYBs so calm youselves. but think back to all the "pure-breeds." how did they come about? people took different breeds with different characteristics to create say....poodles. one dog with curly, water proof hair to help with water retreval, one with the long and light structure, another for intelligence and obidience....get the picture? if people back then hadn't cross-bred ancient breeds we wouldn't have these "pure-breeds" today. yes these dogs have been bred for centuries to refine them but they all started as....mutts. i should know, i have a Boykin Spaniel. they are technically mutts, their starting breeds being a spaniel mutt, cockers, springers, and chessies, but they are considered a real breed since they have been bred for about 20 years or so as hunting dogs. the problem is not cross-breeds being made into new breeds, its the ones who are bred for looks alone.

[brandy pup]

That is an arguement that comes up a lot with these mutts. However there is nothing being done to create a breed responsibly. (except in Austrailial with the laberdoodle who is now bredding laberdoodle to laberdoodle and creating a breed standard from what I hear) But to find that around the USA is very few and far between if anything. People are getting on the bandwagon becuase of the money.

Breeding and Breeder info
http://www.wonderpuppy.net/breeding.htm

[creativz]

...the problem is not cross-breeds being made into new breeds, its the ones who are bred for looks alone.Don't forget the money factor and all the 'botch jobs' along the way !

[VelvetFuzzbutt]

]Logan i think its great you want to get her a pup as a present BECAUSE she wants one already and would get it herself! but if you show up with any pug mix puppy she won't be able to resist i promise!! you can even make up a cute name for the dog like i did for mine. i have a malamut corgi mix and we said "malamorgi" ..lol


the name 'puggle' is like 'malamorgi', its a funny crossbreed name(whole thread about it) and it should stay that way! its just two breed names stuck together to be funny or in a BYBs case cute.

[VelvetFuzzbutt]

i searchedand searched for you. please look at all my links i am posting, some are rescues some are breeders and some are BYB. let me know if you find any you are going to look into!:)
pug & puggle Ads:
- adorable Pug mix! (http://www.petfinder.com/pet.cgi?action=2&pet=4901917&adTarget=&SessionID=42f87bd57d7f11f4-app2&display=&preview=1&row=0&tmpl=&stat=)
-Pug/fox terrier mix (http://www.petfinder.com/pet.cgi?
action=2&pet=3600335&adTarget=&SessionID=42f87bd57d7f11f4-app2&display=&preview=1&row=0&tmpl=&stat=)
-Puggle (not black) (http://www.petfinder.com/pet.cgi?action=2&pet=4904778&adTarget=&SessionID=42f87bd57d7f11f4-app2&display=&preview=1&row=0&tmpl=&stat=)
-Pugle ad (with email) (http://zpg.ziply.com/zpg/us/ViewCA.php?idno=30517)
-4black 2 fawn pug puppies (http://www.hoobly.com/0/0/142255.html)
- pugle puppies (springfield,MO) (http://www.outdoorcentral.com/swap/display.asp?c=dogs&record=9911#display)
-misc. puggle ads(all different colors!) (http://www.hoobly.com/search.php?q=puggle)
-Ohio Pug & puggle ads (http://www.hoobly.com/12027/1861/0/)

i really wanted to help you seem nice, and after all your friend really wants a new baby.
~Dresden :tree:

[flutegeek104]

why are you posting BYB? BYB deserve no buisness at all. try puppyfinder.com, though you won't find "puggles" because they are technically not a breed. Sorry.

[shadowolf]

The worst part about mixing two breeds together to make a new and so called "imporved" breed, is that the dog can get the worst characteristics/behaviors from both breeds or the best, or one of each.. you just never know..

etc: the labradoodle..
puppies could be born heavy shedders, with flat coats but the body of the poodle.. or non shedders with curly coats and the body of the lab... you just never know.. and later in life they may come across problems like hip dysplasia..

Whats the point?
Dont goto BYB or puppy mills, they are just in it for the money.. they dont care about the dogs. :mad:

[lastunicorn86]

but if dogs aren't cross-bred, eventually we will be interbreeding the pure-breds and producing more problems, so it is neccessary to keep domestic dogs healthy in the long run.

[Jennicat]

Actually, it's not. At this point, we have enough stock of common, currently recognized breeds that if you need genetic diversity in your breed, you can import said genetics, NOT interbreed two species. It doesn't keep the breed healthy, since those puppies are NOT that breed.

[brandy pup]

puppyfinder.com is a byb/mill site

HOW TO PURCHASE A PUPPY
http://www.woodhavenlabs.com/breeding/index.html

[AllAmericanPUP]

why are you posting BYB? BYB deserve no buisness at all. try puppyfinder.com, though you won't find "puggles" because they are technically not a breed. Sorry.

what? puppyfinder.com is one huge BYB listing..no responsible breeder would list their dogs on a place like that...

[flutegeek104]

yes, I'm aware of that. Most are not BYB, most are actually families that had two whole dogs that mixed. Most aren't BYB. But yes, I'd look for private breeders of pugs or beagles, or at the pound. Pugs and Beagles aren't meant to be mixed.

[creativz]

Most are not BYB, most are actually families that had two whole dogs that mixed...The Brick Wall Breeder !

[flutegeek104]

okay, so I was wrong. DO NOT go to Puppy find.com You really should be looking at a shelter anyways...they need homes more then the other pups. Sure, it might not be a little baby, but it's still a dog in need of a home.

[lastunicorn86]

breeds are not different species. they are the same species byt like humans they just have different characteristics.

[flutegeek104]

breeds are like the races. You have black, mexican, white, asian, and so forth. Now, while we are all people, we have diffrent races. Now, I'm not trying to say we shouldn't mix races.

But, when there are SO many dogs that need homes, why mix breeds to make more? Breeders are responsible, all their pups have good homes. Maybe in the future, when we have a better control on the pet population, we can make new breeds. But not today.

[VelvetFuzzbutt]

why are you posting BYB? BYB deserve no buisness at all. try puppyfinder.com, though you won't find "puggles" because they are technically not a breed. Sorry.
i just posted the puggles/pug/pug mixes i found..shes SET on getting one so i just posted my results.

[flutegeek104]

okies, sorry if I went off...no hard feelings

[brandy pup]

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[brandy pup]

READING CLASSIFIED ADS
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RECOGNIZING A UNETHICAL BREEDER
http://www.frii.com/~phouka/puppy/bdr_irres.html

Questions to ask
http://www.phouka.com/puppy/bdr_questions.html