i bet you know what i'm about to say

[onebunnywuv]

again... 2 more birds are gone. Cloud and Romeo. both overnight. i just don't get it. maybe Jay is attacking them or something??? Romeo died with his head in the food dish, Cloud was on the bottom. No idea what's happening. But the only ones that keep dying are the ones from Petsmart. First Peter, then Julio, then Cloud and Romeo. I'm so done now. I'm sticking with Jay. I'm getting Jay in to see a vet this coming week. Already called early but got the vets answering machine. Waiting for a call back. This is bloody ridiculous. Four birds from the same store? You can't tell me it's something I'M doing wrong since Jay's survived all the way through. I wonder if I should call someplace to mention it about Petsmart???

[All4one]

omg im so sorry melody. I got jay from pet land its oviously the pet store. Jay was and is not an attacker... well he was neverr intor duced to any birds after i got him but im so sorry. So jay will live alone?

[onebunnywuv]

Yeah. I think I'm going to look elsewhere about a bird. Maybe Petland. I know there's one by Sunridge. I'm done with the Petsmart by Chinook. I called and spoke to the manager. She tried saying it must be something I'm doing wrong. :rolleyes: Obviously it isn't since we've had Lucy for over a year and Jay for months. She said she'd be happy to give me a replacement on both of them if she had to, even though Romeo was bought on the 1st. I said thanks but no thanks. I've spent almost $100 on these birds, I'll take my chances elsewhere.

[All4one]

exaclty. Well im more then willing to buy you one from pet ladn since i live right buy one. seriously 15 mins away. I can take care of him and then bring him there for free, But ull have to decided lol u probably wanna chose it like for its looks and personality. But i could
for jay. You should proabably hold off on the birds for at elast a week,'

quick question... OT but

how are the mice?

[onebunnywuv]

lol i won't be buying another bird any time soon at all. the mice are great though. they climb all over my hands while i'm messing around inside their home. it's a 20 gallon sized plastic container. they have a home to hide in, a food dish, water bottle, a chew stick, a wheel. i have 3 toys to rotate with right now ;)

[All4one]

cool. can u please get pictures. I miss them... well my aunt i guess buried M.I and i made a cross and put it over her grave... but i miss all my babies please pictures of the mcie and jay and just add the mice pics here to if u can

[Canni]

I'd be taking the birds bodies into the vet and getting a post mortem done and sending the petshop the bill.. the petshop may have a disease in their stock which means its still possible your bird is at risk.. I'd also get Jay vet checked as soon as possible..

[onebunnywuv]

Canni, you must have missed it, because in my first post, I said I'd already called the vet and was waiting for them to call me.

I'm not going to waste any more money on the birds from the petstore. I can't afford that big of a vet bill on top of getting Jay checked out. Romeo and Cloud have been disposed of properly :)

[mgray767]

I am so sorry for your loss. I know how it feels to lose so many in a short period of time. I'm glad your going to wait a little while before adding more birds to your house hold. Again i am very sorry, best of luck with Jaye though!!

[All4one]

yes. Jay migth be in risk and well in the thread u said u were bringing him in... thank u melody for being so good to him

[m0usey]

I'm very sorry about all your birds.

I'm no bird expert, but if they're all from the same store I'd guess either
1. There's a diseasse going around at your Petsmart and Jay is just resistant to it
2. The birds from Petsmart got it genetically.

[Miracle Tiels]

Sorry to butt in. But.....

What kind of birds are you talking about?
Budgies? Tiels? Canaries? Finches?

If you don't mind me asking, how long did you have them before they died?

One more thing.... Did you put them in the same cage as your other one immediately upon bringing them home.???

[onebunnywuv]

I'm talking budgies. No, I didn't put them in right away. Romeo and Julio were alone together in one cage for two weeks, then Julio died, and I got Cloud. I then put Romeo with Jay and put Cloud in a cage alone for a few days. Then I put Cloud with Romeo and Jay. Jay is my non-petstore bird (well, Alycia had him a few months, then I got him in Feb).

I had my first bird Peter for about 2 months before he died. Meanwhile I'd gotten Jay and s/he lived in the cage next to Peter after. One April 1 I got Romeo and Julio. Julio died before 14 days were up, which led to me getting Cloud as a replacement. Cloud I had less than a week. Jay is doing great, and our cockatiel Lucy is doing great. Both have vet appts for Tuesday, earliest I could get.

I have 3 bird cages. The one I'd bought for Peter, the one Jay came with, and the one I'd ordered. So I have 2 empty (Peters and the ordered one). Plus Lucy has her own cage. ;)

I'm not new to birds, just new to sudden deaths like this. However, I did find out that all the Petsmart birds come from the same person, so I contacted Animal Control so they can find this person and find out what's going on.

[All4one]

melody can u get pics of jay. And ur doing the best thing

[Miracle Tiels]

I'm really sorry about your little ones dying...

But....

(And I mean no offense in any way whatsoever....)

Don't you quarantine your birds?

Every single one should be Quarantined for a minimum of 6-8 weeks in a completely separate room.... They should never be put together (play or otherwise) any time sooner than 6-8 weeks....
This gives enough time for any illness to show, and you won't be risking your birdie's health....

Just a suggestion.... :)

I didn't mean to preach or anything.... Sorry....

[sisco16]

sorry about your birds but i honestly remember telling you it was just petsmart in another post but that obviously dident help :) they do not care if they sell sick animals and they die very easly the places by me the petstore the people hand raise there birds so im happy to buy from them :)

[onebunnywuv]

We only have 1 possible room in which to quarantine our new birds. That's my babies nursery, and obviously while the bird is in there she can't be so I generally only quarantine them around a week or two. Peter I had for over a month before I got Jay so I didn't worry about him and Jay was healthy for months before I got em from Alycia.

For the time being, I'm going to just overlook buying new birds and just stick with the 2 we have :D

[All4one]

good idea.. melody i called a vet that is really close to to me. She checks my animals alot....

i tol dher ur situation and she told me even though she wasnt supposed to...

cere mites (infection)

-crustes over cere
-flakes off when they scratch with there feet
- it spreads really quickly
- and it clogs the nazel
- abd spreads when they flap there wings of kick there feet
- its deadly
- it can cause them to die while eating because the nose is plugged and u cant breath while eating through mouth so the die.
- or they can die while on a branch as it kill all feet and mobile control.

Birds i n same colony are known to die all around the same couple days . possibly 3-5 days apart or more if bird is a fighter.. she said not to quote her because she hasnt specialized in birds but to tell u from what i described about them in the food dish dying and on the floor of the cage that he probably loss the balance because of the descie.

but im not trying to quote her i dont want her to get in trouble for telling me... but she said since they are dead she can proabbly do it

oh yah this is one thing that i can quote

"Sorry for ur loss" from K a t h y

[onebunnywuv]

thanks Alycia. I think I'll wait and see what animal control can do. They can investigate the breeder who's always supplying Petsmart with the budgies. For now Jay and Lucy are my main priority. :)

[All4one]

no problem

[yongsu]

My goodness. How irresponsible could you be? 4 birds dead within the past couple months, and not a single attempt at obtaining a conclusion as to why. Instead, you decide to take the easy way out and blame the pet store. It seems a bit too suspicious to be the pet store's fault, as it is extremely unusual for two birds to die in the same night, let alone while one is eating. Furthermore, PetSmart carries a strict "VET ASSURED" guarantee, which I have witnessed with my own eyes. You may think this seems harsh, but open your eyes! 4 birds dead and no clue as to why. Do you use air fresheners? Teflon on the stove?

[onebunnywuv]

i of the 4 died because of shock from falling off the perch (the perch was on the bottom of the cage, Julio's claws still clenched around it). with the first one Peter, i didnt know what happened. he was fine for months, then one morning he was huddled in the corner of his cage, had a few spasms and was gone.

i don't use air conditions, air sprays, insence, room fresheners, anything chemicals other than a Mr.Clean mop or the magic erasors. i have infants in my household, chemicals are dangerous with them around.

Petsmart may carry a vet assured policy, but the manager did offer me 4 replacement birds if i agreed not to report the incident. does that sound like a good idea? "i'll give you 4 birds to keep you quiet" :rolleyes:

Don't tell me I'm being irresponsible by not wanting to waste anymore money doing tests on dead birds. I've spent hundreds on their homes, their food, toys, etc.

Cloud was a young one, the cere was a bright purple, and Cloud could have been either male or female, was too young to tell. Peter was a male, Romeo was a male, Julio was a male. When I found Julio, I took a cab to the vet to get him checked out and he died in the cab. The vet said more than likely died from shock. So excuse me for not looking further into that death. The perch fell, he was attached, shock/stunned seemed reasonable. Julio and Romeo were bought the same day. Cloud was a replacement for Julio.

I've had a lot of problems with Petsmart animals. Not just the birds. So you can't sit here and tell me that while my Petsmart pets are dying, and my non Petsmart pets are living, that it's something I'm doing wrong, when all my animals are cared for the same way.

[Canni]

Let us know how Jay checks out make sure the vet does fecal testing for pssitacoisis and other common diseases..most have an incubation time meaning he could have contracted something.. I hope you reported the Petsmart store itself as well! (is it still selling birds?)

[yongsu]

i of the 4 died because of shock from falling off the perch (the perch was on the bottom of the cage, Julio's claws still clenched around it). with the first one Peter, i didnt know what happened. he was fine for months, then one morning he was huddled in the corner of his cage, had a few spasms and was gone.

i don't use air conditions, air sprays, insence, room fresheners, anything chemicals other than a Mr.Clean mop or the magic erasors. i have infants in my household, chemicals are dangerous with them around.

Petsmart may carry a vet assured policy, but the manager did offer me 4 replacement birds if i agreed not to report the incident. does that sound like a good idea? "i'll give you 4 birds to keep you quiet" :rolleyes:

Don't tell me I'm being irresponsible by not wanting to waste anymore money doing tests on dead birds. I've spent hundreds on their homes, their food, toys, etc.

Cloud was a young one, the cere was a bright purple, and Cloud could have been either male or female, was too young to tell. Peter was a male, Romeo was a male, Julio was a male. When I found Julio, I took a cab to the vet to get him checked out and he died in the cab. The vet said more than likely died from shock. So excuse me for not looking further into that death. The perch fell, he was attached, shock/stunned seemed reasonable. Julio and Romeo were bought the same day. Cloud was a replacement for Julio.

I've had a lot of problems with Petsmart animals. Not just the birds. So you can't sit here and tell me that while my Petsmart pets are dying, and my non Petsmart pets are living, that it's something I'm doing wrong, when all my animals are cared for the same way.
More than just the birds have passed away? Not a single dime "wasted" on a necropsy? Seems irresponsible to me. Oh, so you've invested in the basic necessities for your pets. That's surely an excuse to let your animals keep dying of unknown causes. Cry me a river. There seriously must be flaws in your care practices if all of your animals are dying. Don't tell me it was PetSmart's fault until you actually have documented proof. Until then, I will assume these deaths were the result of your irresponsibility. If these animals truly were ill or genetically deformed before purchase, you would think that you, as the owner, would have noticed symptoms in at least one animal before its death.

Unfortunately, you will not get a drop of sympathy from me. At least, not until you get your act straight. I'm sorry that you have had to endure all of these deaths, but these are responsibilities you should have committed to when they came into your home! Logic only tells you that when 3 birds and whatever else die of unknown causes, you find out why! Blaming the store is the pansy way out.

I'm willing to bet my soul that the bit about the manager offering you free birds to keep quiet is a downright lie.

[Shpax0r]

I would have no doubts that it's the Petsmart. PetSmart gets their birds from this giant bird factory called Kaytee Prefered Birds. I used to work for a pet store that also got their birds from this distributor. At one point, I was pulling 1-2 dead budgies a day from the cages. We sold them; I was given a verbal warning for telling a customer not to buy one, as it would surely die. Kaytee sends them sick, our store vet didn't know enough about birds to fix them. I guess that's why he worked at a pet store and not a veterinary practice.

[Shpax0r]

It was also our store's policy to offer free animals to replace dead ones; that's what "vet assured" meant.

[onebunnywuv]

I will Canni. Just waiting til I can get Jay and Lucy to the vet. Even though Lucy hasn't been around them, I'm not taking my chances with her either. Yes, they're still selling birds. :rolleyes:

yongsu, really, I don't care what you think. I have pets that have NOT come from Petsmart, and they're all doing great. The pets that I've had die are from one specific Petsmart store. We have 2 in my city. The one I'd gone to is closest to me, although both are a good half hour away. I've had one mouse from Petsmart die, and the 4 birds. That's it. I have a hamster, 3 females, 1 male, 2 birds. They're all NON Petsmart pets and I've had no problems with them ever. I don't care if you think it's a "pansy" way out by blaming the store when it's JUST their pets dying. Frankly if it weren't for this forums policies, I'd tell you where to put your ideas about me. :rolleyes: Maybe you don't know this, but birds can hide their illnesses. You won't see any symptoms until they're gone, that's what I was told when I said that Peter died!

Thanks Shpax0r, I was told it was a breeder, not a bird factory. That makes sense though. They breed them, ship them off, they get sold, they die, they're easy to replace.

Seriously, you have to wonder WHY would a store even have a pet guarantee? Petland doesn't, Petcetera doesn't as far as I've heard. Petsmart has an in-store vet clinic and they don't even know how to clip the birds wings! Only one woman at the store knows how to clip their wings. I dealt with her when I bought Peter and then when I got Cloud.

[yongsu]

yongsu, really, I don't care what you think. I have pets that have NOT come from Petsmart, and they're all doing great. The pets that I've had die are from one specific Petsmart store. We have 2 in my city. The one I'd gone to is closest to me, although both are a good half hour away. I've had one mouse from Petsmart die, and the 4 birds. That's it. I have a hamster, 3 females, 1 male, 2 birds. They're all NON Petsmart pets and I've had no problems with them ever. I don't care if you think it's a "pansy" way out by blaming the store when it's JUST their pets dying. Frankly if it weren't for this forums policies, I'd tell you where to put your ideas about me. :rolleyes: Maybe you don't know this, but birds can hide their illnesses. You won't see any symptoms until they're gone, that's what I was told when I said that Peter died!
What about Sweetie, the poor hamster who also suffered a sudden death? And the numerous tarantulas? Yes, prey animals will hide illness, that is, until their body gives out and they are forced to show their agony. A hamster will not be acting fine and running on its wheel at one point, then die suddenly four hours later if it had been suffering from an illness. A bird will not be acting fine and eating, then suddenly die face down in the food dish if it had been suffering from an illness.

Seriously, you have to wonder WHY would a store even have a pet guarantee? Petland doesn't, Petcetera doesn't as far as I've heard. Petsmart has an in-store vet clinic and they don't even know how to clip the birds wings! Only one woman at the store knows how to clip their wings. I dealt with her when I bought Peter and then when I got Cloud.
Pet stores offer pet guarantees in case an animal truly is ill before purchase, or so they do not get crap when irresponsible pet owners kill their animals. The Petland in my area (which is an awful store) does offer a 3 day guarantee.

[RustysMom]

I would agree that its probably the Petsmart birds not anything you are doing wrong. Yongsu-I dont think you really know what you are talking about. Birds can die suddenly. They do hide their illnesses until its almost always too late to do anything about it. A bird can seem fine and then a few hours later are gone. That doesnt mean she doesnt care for her birds or cant tell when they are sick, but lets be realistic...you cant Watch your birds 24/7. I would also believe that a manager would do and say something like that. I dont work for a petstore but do work for retail and not having customers call in complaints is one of the things the managers work towards. They will do anything to satisfy the customer.

I wouldnt think there would be a point in doing a necrospy at this time. All the birds that died had a common factor and that was Petsmart. If she were doing something wrong or the birds were exposed to something in the home, then the other birds would be sick or die too. Common sense.

I have two budgies as well as cockatoos and macaws
and I think most pet stores have numerous budgies housed together so if one is sick, the others are all exposed. So dont blame this poor woman who has suffered these losses. She obviously loves her animals.

[onebunnywuv]

Numerous tarantulas? You mean as in our first pink toe getting eaten by our rose hair because the rose hair found a way around the divider in our 10g tank they shared? Our pink zebra beauty was killed by the feeder mouse we gave it (which it had had before). And what other numerous ones? Those are them. We have the rose hair, a pink toe and our green bottle blue. LOL I love how you read back through my threads so you can try and label me an animal killer. :rolleyes:

Sweetie was alive when my husband got home around 5, and was gone by the time I went to feed her at 9pm. I'm not the only one to have a sudden death from a hamster. I had her around 4 months, she was probably a good 6 months old. hamsters live 1-2 years. Man, I sure did kill that hamster :( :rolleyes:

When Sweetie died and then Peter, I even had my house checked for mold in the walls, water damage in the walls, etc. If I wasn't concerned about my pets, I wouldn't have spent that $500 making sure my house wasn't causing their deaths.

Yongsu, you're an idiot if you're trying to blame me for the death of 4 birds that all came from the same Petsmart. End of story.

[yongsu]

So, you ruled out a possible cause of death. It would have been cheaper to have "wasted" your money on a single necropsy (and actually determined the cauise of death) than to have your house "checked." Your logic is flawed, and I truly believe you are an irresponsible pet owner. :)

I'll leave it at that.

[onebunnywuv]

Actually no, I didn't rule it out. Sweetie, Peter and my first mouse died within a month of each other. We had a sewage leak back in December (which I mentioned during one post if you feel like spending more time reading them) and I thought maybe there was mold in the walls or something. We'd already found mold in the bathroom upstairs. Especially since my mice and hamster were kept in the room which will eventually be the nursery and is the room where our water pipes are. So I did the safest thing not just for my pets, but for my family as well, and we had the house tested.

Yes, I'm most definitely an irresponsible pet owner. Our rose hair tarantula we've had over a year, our cockatiel we've had over a year. Our green bottle blue tarantula we've had for almost 6 months. Our pink toe we've had over 6 months. Yet only my petsmart creatures have died. Wow, yes. total irresponsibility on my behalf... for supporting petsmart animals :)

[onebunnywuv]

Just for the record, this is the full list of each and every critter I have in my household at this exact second:

1 budgie Jay
1 cockatiel Lucy (had over a year)
1 rose hair tarantula (had over a year)
1 pink toe tarantula (had around 6 months)
1 green bottle blue tarantula (had around 6 months)
2 hermit crabs
3 female mice, 1 male mouse
1 hamster
2 male bettas, 2 females
29g freshwater tank with 6 guppies, 6 cardinal tetras, 4 peppered cory cats, 3 inch temporary pleco (may or may not replace later on)
10g saltwater tank with misc corals, live rock, baby clown fish, crabs and snails
120g saltwater tank with 1 lionfish, 2 saddleback clowns, 1 yellow tang, countless crabs and snails, live rock, corals, starfish

[yongsu]

I was going to leave this thread alone, but I forgot to mention that hamsters do not live "1-2 years." 2 years is the average lifespan, but they have the capacity to live for much longer, assuming the owner is responsible and caring. 1 year is a short life for a hamster, and a few months is just awful.

Frankly, I do not care if you have 2484 of this and 294 of that. You are still irresponsible in my eyes.

[Elvish Legion]

I will say this, it is very possible that your petsmart in that area totaly bites.

I work at one, and it is very rare an animal I sell comes back sick, yet alone dead. This is very sad.

There was (last month I think) an infection going around...we had to quartine our birds for 2-3 weeks....did you by chance by them around the end of jan/beginning to middle of feb?

[lovechick]

I think its rather irresponsible of you to keep getting birds even though you cant even provide proper quarantine environment. And why would you keep getting birds from a petstore, there are plenty of reliable breeders out there with tame and healthy birds. Why werent birds taken to the vet at the first sign of illness? I'm sure they all exhibited it, except you failed to notice.
Honestly money should not be an issue, I've just a got a budgie and spent $180 on the emergency vet treatment because he caught some infection and required antibiotics and deworming, but I'm solely responsible for my pets well being when I take them into my home.

[onebunnywuv]

Money is NOT an issue, I never said it was. They also never showed signs of illness. There are NO breeders in my area, there's one over 4 hours away but do not travel, and I don't have a car. I'm letting this thread die because obviously you're too stupid to realize this is NOT caused by me, it's caused by Petsmart! You seriously can NOT tell me that I've killed 4 birds from Petsmart, yet my 2 non-Petsmart birds are still alive and have been through the entire time I've had the Petsmart ones. :rolleyes: I'm done.

[lovechick]

Yeah, I'm the stupid one.. I rescued all of my birds and theyre still happy and healthy, one of them passed away from an old age.

[yongsu]

Money is NOT an issue, I never said it was.
Don't tell me I'm being irresponsible by not wanting to waste anymore money doing tests on dead birds. I've spent hundreds on their homes, their food, toys, etc.
Do what?

Your irresponsibility does not excuse name calling.

[onebunnywuv]

So the fact I'm not willing to spend more money on dead birds all from the same store, all dying the same way, means money is an issue? Let me remind you that I've had Lucy and Jay longer than any of the other birds have survived. Let me also remind you that when I found Julio at the bottom of the cage with his clawed wrapped about his perch, I took him to the vets IN A CAB to have him die and the vet tell me it was most likely due to shock. If I see a problem with a pet, darned right I'll take it to a vet and see what can be done to save them, but once they're gone they're gone and it's not going to bring them back. Would you seriously have me keep their dead bodies in my house for days while I wait for the vet to be able to get me in for tests? I don't think so. Not only is that unsanitary, it's unhealthy for me and my children, not to mention any other pets I have. I am not going to waste money on a dead bird. End of story.

Yongsu, keep in mind I'm not the one who joined this forum and attacked a person for getting 4 birds from the same store to have them die and then get accused of being the cause of it. You and anyone else who's saying I'm killing my pets can all keep your opinions to yourselves. If you want to bring up the fact that my hamster died suddenly, go take a look at the hamster forum and you'll see how often it happens! Same with the mouse forum.

I will repeat this one last time: I have had NO problems with any of my other creatures bought from anywhere except Petsmart, which are the only pets I've EVER had die. End of story. I'm completely done.

[Miracle Tiels]

Ok, Whoa everyone....

Let's just DROP this thread... OK?

There is absolutely NO reason to get into a fight, especially since No one is giving in and it is escalating into a straight out war, obviously pulling in and involving other members as it grows...

Maybe we can contact a Moderator or something and get this thread deleted.....?

Everyone just needs to Close their eyes, take a Deep breath, and count to 10...

And if that doesn't work, do the SAME thing, and count to 100, and then back to 1 again if you have to...

[All4one]

agreed....