Help?

[GPMSTRKN]

Hello,

I was wondering how many puppies are possible from 1 or 2 matings? My girl dog went into heat and mated with the dog next door.

Before you jump on me, I got the girl dog at the pound and they had said that she was fixed, when I took her to the vet he read that she had been fixed so nothing was done.

This is the first time she has come into season since I adopted her. I am concerned about how many puppies she may have, so I can at least find homes for them or be prepared to take care of them.

Thanks for the help in advance,
Jess

[lneill84]

Its exceedingly bad for a dog to become pregnant in her first heat cycle. I find it hard to believe the pound confused her with being spayed. Take her to the vet and get her spayed now, its really that simple. We don't need more mutts running around in the world with no home. She doesn't need to have the puppies, nor is it healthy being that young to have the puppies. Do the right thing, and get her spayed now.

[Jennicat]

It depends on the size of the dog. Smaller breeds generally won't have more than 4-6 puppies, but with larger breeds, up to 12-16 is not uncommon.

[maryjane238]

spaying during early pregnancy isn't that much more complicated. it will be a little more expensive (but still cheaper than vaccinating/neutering a litter of puppies). i agree with ineill - just get her spayed now.

[coppermom]

If she's pregnant won't spaying her kill the unborn pups just like abortion personally I would not be able to do that I think it is posible to find homes for them with out killing them oh and if it's her first litter dogs usually have fewer puppy but this is not always the case I would say guessing she is a medium size dog somewhere between 4 and 8 just guessing

[eviloxygen]

It's possible to find them homes, but most the puppies will end up having more puppies, or getting killed, or worse, would you rather have someone drown them, or beat them to death?? It happens more then you think, and you can never keep track of all the pups and ensure a good home always.

SPay her ASAP and you wont have to worry about any of it. There is no need for more puppies in this world and you most likely have no idea how to whelp a litter anyways.

[bruises]

While spaying a pregnant dog will kill the unborn pups, it's not exactly like abortion, in that that the dog won't know what abortion is all about. It's generally not a good idea to push human values on dogs. Not to mention that taking care of puppies is expensive and hard work. Finding good, reliable homes for all of them can be difficult, especially with the dog over-population that exists. There's also always a risk to the mother during pregnancy and birth.

I also recommend you get her spayed now. My own dog just recently got spayed while she was pregnant, and she's recovering well from the operation.

[Jennicat]

Do you feel more comfortable killing fetuses or actual dogs? Because I assure you this is puppy season, and there are dogs dying EVERY day. Every puppy born takes away the life of a living, breathing, feeling dog.

*sigh*

I wish I could explain to people better. Do they not realize that at this time of year the box of puppies goes from the front door to the euth room? There is not enough room.

[coppermom]

What I dont understand is that people think that just because it's not born yet its not alive.They are alive.If you get a pregnant dog spayed in my eyes it the same as taking the pups down to the creek and drowning them but in this case you just let the vet do the killing. I understand that the shelters are overcrowded but to me killing an unborn pup is the same as killing an adult. FETUSES ARE ACTUAL DOGS!!!! I know it's a hard decision and it will be exspensive and difficult but finding good homes for them is possible.

[lneill84]

I would rather have the pups not even be brought into this world and have to suffer. Sorry, Copper, there aren't enough homes for all the puppies and dogs. Start reading some people's sigs around here, and you will learn the grim future of these guys

[coppermom]

Ineill84 I have read the sig on this post and I understand what ya'll are saying and after giving it some thought I would say both are options but I would have to think really hard about it and I dont know if I could have the dog spayed but I'm not saying anyone who does is wrong. But some people act like the puppies are not alive when there are inside the mom and thereforse It's not like killing a real dog and I don't agree with that what I do agree with is that there are alot of dogs in this world and its a really sad situation and there are not enough homes for the dogs here now that's why my dog is fixed

[coppermom]

I won't say go get the dog spayed cause if I was in the same situation I dont think I would not be able to do it. That decision is up to GPMSTRKN I'm sure she will do what she believes is right if it be keep the pups or get the dog spayed It's up to her

[DaDezBombzzz]

When I was a kid we had a lab, and she had I believe 18 puppies..yeahhhhhhhhh it was nuts.

[Punkygirl0101]

Are you sure she was actually in heat? There is NO chance at all that the Shelter AND the vet would say she was spayed, when she wasn't. If you are TRULY telling the truth, then she is most likely spayed. Is she already pregnant, or are you assuming. Were the two dogs actually mating, or was he just humping her....because humping is normal.

I would take her to another vet.. if she is not spayed, get that done as soon as possible.

Small dogs don't generally have more than 6-8... depending on size. We had a husky/german sheperd/rottweiler and who knows what else mix that had 13 puppies.

[Jennicat]

coppermom, the fetuses are alive too. But if you spay immediately, they have no eyes, no thoughts, no nerves, and barely a heartbeat.

Meanwhile the struggling, screaming dogs in the shelter have all of these. The point of euthanasia is to be humane. I certainly feel that it is more humane to euthanize fetuses than living, feeling animals.

[coppermom]

Ok I'm not really sure what I think right now I guess I associated it with abortion of human babies so I just thought oh no how awfull but I know you can't say dogs and people are the same so maybe i posted a little to hastily and I hope I did not upset anyone I haven't decided what exactily what i would do in that situation

[coppermom]

By the way I'm strongly against abortion af babies
which I meant to mention earlier

[Punkygirl0101]

I am pro choice!!

But spaying an animal during the early stages of pregnancy is nothing like abortion!!

[maryjane238]

alright....i reeeallly am trying hard not to get involved in a political debate. i've hit the backspace key about 100 times. i'll just say this - take the dog to a vet!!! find out if the dog is spayed....if not spay her.

[sert123]

i woldent spay her if shes pregnet it is like killing adult dogs insted try to find a home before their born i love animals and it is a living bieng dont kill the puppies find a home or try palls thell keep the animal untel they find a owner and even if u take it to the pound they still have a relly good chance every one whants a puppy

[lneill84]

No actually, they don't have a chance at a shelter. Regardless of being a puppy or not, they have a slim chance of finding a loving, lasting home. Fetuses don't need to be brought into this world

[bruises]

Ugh, let's not get into an abortion debate. >_> Man, why is it that people here always manages to piss me off?

"even if u take it to the pound they still have a relly good chance every one whants a puppy"
Oh yeah, everyone wants puppies. But puppies grow up. Those people that wanted puppies, do they still want the adult dog?

GPMSTRKN, if you are in fact thinking about doing an emergency spay, don't let anyone make you feel like a bad person cause of it. It's not anything at all like drowning them in the creek.

[HermieMaster5]

Yeah... but... you don't understand. Living, breathing dogs are killed each day because of the lack of space in animal shelters.

Jess, you should go and get her spayed... it's the right thing to do. At least they will put them down humanly, who knows what would happen to them otherwise... but one thing's for sure... it wouldn't be humane. :(

[HermieMaster5]

Bruises is right!!!!!

You have a choice...

1. Take them to the vet and spare them a life of sorrow...
2. Or let them fall into the hands of people who will harm them...

Jess, the choice is yours, and yours only.

[bubblz]

WOW people. If everyone in the world spayed and nutered ther dogs there would be no more dogs. Not all animals wind up abused or harmed by people who adopt them actually the majority are loved.
Maybe I'm just biased because the state I live in we actually import dogs to our shelters from other states because we have more people who want to adopt than dogs. It was on the news and everything. Ive had 6 adopted dogs and countless foster dogs for the shelter.
I think before jumping to ANY conclusions the dog needs to see a vet to see if:
1. is it really pregnant?
2. If it's not pregnant is it in fact spayed?
Then the decisions should go from there, not just on speculation

[HermieMaster5]

BUT people will continue not to spay/neuter any dogs if we don't promote it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Do you think people are really gonna get off their lazy asses?!!?!??! People have to be told the facts before they actually do anything. We are not saying everyone in the world should fix their dogs, it's just mainly a problem with mutts and unwanted pregnancies!!!!!!!

The only people that should be allowed to breed dogs are reputable breeders!!!!!!!! That excludes backyard breeders, and designer mutts.


I didn't say that all dogs wind up in a bad situation! I mean that mutts and puppies from accidental pregnancies usually end up dead because people don't pay good money for them so therefore they don't end up getting taken care of!!!!!

[Spudnik]

WOW people. If everyone in the world spayed and nutered ther dogs there would be no more dogs.

Nobody said that EVERY dog should be spayed and neutered. The majority should, though. I don't think that I've ever come across a responsible breeder. Does that mean that people should keep breeding their pets?

[HermieMaster5]

Well put Spudnik... I agree.

[Spudnik]

Heh, sorry... didn't see your post. Ah well, no harm in reitterating the point. :p

[bubblz]

Not everyone is lazzy. Besides most people don't want their male dogs humping everything in sight....or want to deal with the nastyness of female dogs in heat.
Mutts are often great dogs that wind up in great homes. Just because someone can't affort a $1500 dog up front doesn't mean they can not take great care of their dog.
I just think there are nicer ways to give people the facts so they'll listen. other than being hostile and using scare tatics. People are more receptive when your not so angry

[coppermom]

I'd like to state that it was not my intention to make anyone feel guilty and I think that spaying should be considered I think I posted to hastily and I'm sorry if I upset anyone that was not my intention It was just stated to do what's right and get the dog spayed but I think their are two options. and both should be consider both are acceptable. I also wanted to say that I was NOT saying that abortion and spaying the dog are the same they are not. I just wanted to clear that up cause I think some people didn't understand me last time. And I hope that i did not cause this to become a argument. Sincerly Melissa

[HermieMaster5]

Not everyone is lazzy. Besides most people don't want their male dogs humping everything in sight....or want to deal with the nastyness of female dogs in heat.
Mutts are often great dogs that wind up in great homes. Just because someone can't affort a $1500 dog up front doesn't mean they can not take great care of their dog.
I just think there are nicer ways to give people the facts so they'll listen. other than being hostile and using scare tatics. People are more receptive when your not so angry


:splat: Well, I wasn't being hostile until sombody had a smirk attitude. :D

Soooooooo... if people don't want their male dogs humping every thing in sight, and deal with the nastiness of female dogs in heat, then
why did we ever have a problem in the first place?????????

Mutts are the ones often put down in animal shelters... I didn't say anything about them not being great dogs... in fact, I have one myself... a rescue. :mad1:

Who said $1500? Spudnik did you say that?

NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! NOBODY SAID THAT!

All I said was people respect things more when they put their money into it... do you have a problem with that? :smash:

:redhot: :devil: :kaioken: :mad2: :devil1: :grumpy:

People like you make me want to cuss... Where's the soapbox?

P.S. Lazy is spelled with ONE Z!!

[bubblz]

I think everone needs to calm down. One person's mistake dosen't make the entire population a bunch of morons. People make mistakes and if you offer them advice instead of biting their heads off they are more likely to listen is what I'm trying to tell you.
And $1500 is what an average pure breed dog cost around here that's where I got that from. I just think there are plenty of people who respect things with out going broke or ever things they get free.

[lneill84]

Maybe you need to hang around here more and hear the stories from some of the people on here that deal with rescue dogs and shelters every day. It breaks my heart to think that there's the possibility of another poorly bred, sickly, dog being bred with another poorly bred, sickly dog to an owner that wasn't even sure if it was spayed or not. I learned at a very young age that if an intact female and male are put together, they will have babies-its really that simple! Now, you are wondering why people are being nasty. We have two mutts, one that isn't even old enough to be bred in the first place, running around humping each other with owners that don't even know if they are spayed or not-get a clue and figure out why several people are upset. Go onto some shelter websites and see the BEAUTIFUL dogs that are put down every day because of incompetent morons. Then only will you have a right to comment

[bubblz]

He said he adopted the dog and it's her first heat cycle since he got her for all we know the dog is like 9 years old.
I do have everyright to comment I've volunteered at shelters here for over 10 years. People who are mean and nasty don't help the problem. This kid was looking for advice help him don't yell at him. Guide him in the right direction.
I think may of you act very condescending. it doesn't help the problem.
All of cats and dogs i have had have been rescue animal except for one. And nope none of them were puppies either I rescued adult dogs. As well as I've foster dogs back to health from a highly abusive puppy mill untill they were healthy enough to adopt out. I've taught adult dogs how to walk again because there were trapped in caged pilled high with their own filth and legs matted together. I'm not some young kid with out a clue.

[Snufflez]

I don't think I have much say as everyone else as i am new.... you all know each other but in this case... as some other may have said i am a animal lover.. i have adopted and rescued alot of dogs.. mostly mixed breeds, my lastest puppy was a Accidental litter... her and nine other puppies where brought in. If she wants to spay the mother dog now.. thats her desicion... personally i would if that means cutting down on the unwanted dogs in humane society, then do it. any ways you all dont have to listen tomy input.. but thats what i would do.

[RavenRose]

I do have everyright to comment I've volunteered at shelters here for over 10 years.

Maybe I'm just biased because the state I live in we actually import dogs to our shelters from other states because we have more people who want to adopt than dogs.Considering this is a public forum, yes you have every right to comment. However, the fact that you've volunteered at your local shelters doesn't mean that you know what it's like to watch dogs being led away to be euthanized or do it yourself, as many of the people on here have. In your own words, you have an UNDERpopulation in your state, so why would you be euthanizing for OVERpopulation? The people that are so excitable about it that they get hostile are the ones who personally see it. While I agree that you get your point across better if you're not screaming or treating people like their stupid, I also understand where the people are coming from that just get so sick of the crap that they NEED to scream at someone.

[Shpax0r]

It's interesting that you say that there is not a serious dog over population problem in your state, because the New Hampshire Humane Society's website would disagree with that statement quite radically.

[Jennicat]

It's interesting that you say that there is not a serious dog over population problem in your state, because the New Hampshire Humane Society's website would disagree with that statement quite radically.

I have noticed that is a common misconception all over the place.

I work with a guinea pig/rabbit rescue in NC. And I constantly see people telling others that there's NOT an overpopulation of guinea pigs in NC. They look surprised when I tell them that there are FOUR rescues now with guinea pigs, and that we took in over 50 pigs last year, and over 40 the year before that.

[bubblz]

Ther4e was a huge story on WMUR the New hampsire new station that there are more people looking for animals that there are animals to adopt. Some of the smaller rescue shelter have resorted to importing dogs from other areas that are vastly overpopulated. Ther was contraversy as to wheter these imported dogs that we saved would get preferential treatment & be more adoptable.
Your also forgetting that NH tends to have a lowed population to area ratio than many states. (meaning a lot of the people up North have huge amounts of land or farms). Many people own multiple dogs.
I've lived in NH for the past 15 years and there are many local shelters with in driving distance of me and honestly none of them are the "NH Humaine Society" which now that I say it I realize is rather odd.
I understand that NO ONE wants to ever see dogs get put down for no good reason. I just mean when people come looking for help and people yell at them because it's not the first time they've heard it they get no where. A lot of these people only come here when they are looking for help, so they have no idea you've gone trough this a million times. Help them guide them in the right direction. Give them the information in a way they'll recieve and understand it. Don't turn people away because next time the situation could be worse.

[bubblz]

Ther4e was a huge story on WMUR the New hampsire new station that there are more people looking for animals that there are animals to adopt. Some of the smaller rescue shelter have resorted to importing dogs from other areas that are vastly overpopulated. Ther was contraversy as to wheter these imported dogs that we saved would get preferential treatment & be more adoptable.
Your also forgetting that NH tends to have a lowed population to area ratio than many states. (meaning a lot of the people up North have huge amounts of land or farms). Many people own multiple dogs.
I've lived in NH for the past 15 years and there are many local shelters with in driving distance of me and honestly none of them are the "NH Humaine Society" which now that I say it I realize is rather odd.
I understand that NO ONE wants to ever see dogs get put down for no good reason. I just mean when people come looking for help and people yell at them because it's not the first time they've heard it they get no where. A lot of these people only come here when they are looking for help, so they have no idea you've gone trough this a million times. Help them guide them in the right direction. Give them the information in a way they'll recieve and understand it. Don't turn people away because next time the situation could be worse.

[HermieMaster5]

He said he adopted the dog and it's her first heat cycle since he got her for all we know the dog is like 9 years old.
I do have everyright to comment I've volunteered at shelters here for over 10 years. People who are mean and nasty don't help the problem. This kid was looking for advice help him don't yell at him. Guide him in the right direction.
I think may of you act very condescending. it doesn't help the problem.
All of cats and dogs i have had have been rescue animal except for one. And nope none of them were puppies either I rescued adult dogs. As well as I've foster dogs back to health from a highly abusive puppy mill untill they were healthy enough to adopt out. I've taught adult dogs how to walk again because there were trapped in caged pilled high with their own filth and legs matted together. I'm not some young kid with out a clue.

Um... hello... I wasn't yelling at Jess, I'm yelling at you... in case you have'nt noticed.

I did help him by giving him advice to go ahead and spay the dog.

Did I not specifically say it was his choice?... let me recap it for ya...

I DID!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :mad:

I give you credit for working with dogs at shelters, and adopting them... but there are not many people willing to give the proper care needed to take care of a dog.

Not everyone takes good care of their animals...

Have you not ever seen Animal Cops?

It's the reality.

Your dumb if you think everyone takes care of their animals, that's why Jess should spay the dog NOW and save the pups from misery.

It's likelihood at least one of the pups are to be either abused, drowned, gassed, burned, or the such.

I suggest Jess do the humane thing... but it's still his choice... and nobody should make him feel guilty.

[bubblz]

You are obviously a very ignorant child for getting so argumentative.

[bubblz]

If you actually read any of my posts you'd realize that I said the dog needed to see a vet to see if it was actually pregnant before any of this needed to be discussed. THe dog may have been spayed and had some other vaginal problem that caused the bleeding and was never even in heat.

[maryjane238]

http://search.petfinder.com/search/search.cgi

here are 65 dogs available for adoption in NH. just saying...

[bubblz]

Regardless We don't evcen know if this kids dog is pregnant

[TiaMaria]

Here we go again! They come in for a simple question and you guys jump on them. Answer the question and keep your spaying comments to yourself, spaying one animal wont cure the world of it's "over populating dog population" it's time to get a life.

[TiaMaria]

Next time you guys even mention abortion, think of this...Everytime you say that to someone it's like telling a human, you can adopt there are a lot of uncared for children in the world, abort your baby. Well this January I will be a mom for the first time, I am really disgusted by these remarks. Pets are like another human to some of us, we love them dearly, so it doesn't mean we are all gonna get them spayed as soon as they end up pregnant, you don't even know if she is pregnant, so stop beating the dead horse and move on with it.

[Jennicat]

TiaMaria, there is a huge different. Orphaned children aren't dragged into a back room and euthanized if no one takes them. Animals are. Children have a lot longer than a week, or two weeks, to find a home before they're killed off because people keep dumping babies off at the front door.

[K9BOB]

IN MY OPINION...if we are going to be serious about bringing the dog population under control than it starts with breeding only exceptional dogs and for the right reason... After that all we have remaining is to get our dogs neutered or spayed...Why would anyone not do so????????????? Why would people take such chances???????? either they are mostly ignorant or lazy........I just cannot think of much else....so regarless of the situation unless there are some midigating circumstances as to why you can not do this for your dog than people need to be told/advised to have it done......It just causes too many problems not too......I don't mind people telling me I have to watch my diet when I bring up subjects relative to food so why should anyone feel offended by being reminded that they should get there dogs fixed?
If you cannot handle the concepts of why we have such problems with dogs runnning the streets and in bad situations than you probably should get a nice teddy bear...although it should be a red and black one..:o

k9bob

[Punkygirl0101]

I couldn't agree with you more Jennicat.

Don't use human examples for animals.

[Norman]

Has anyone else noted - all debating aside - how the OP has not been back to comment on this thread they started asking for advice and how this was their first and ONLY post? Me thinks this guy is out for kicks and to wind everyone up.

Personally if the situation was true I would find out of the dog was spayed or not. Either way I would still spay as there is an over population of dogs in my area who are killed if not rehomed and i would not want to add to that and for the future health of the bitch but that is just my opinion and what I would do if the situation were real which I doubt it is in this case. I do apologise in advance if it is and the OP has simply not been able to access Pets Hub to read replies.

[bubblz]

See Norman you are reasonable. You need to see if the dog is even fixed before anything. You're not calling people names or insulting their intelligence becuase they may have made a mistake and wanted advise. And you're not ctiticising people.
Norman is probably right this topic was probably started because it's a hot button topic and some troll wants to get arise out of everyone

[bubblz]

By the way if anyone is wondering I never said that I equated spaying a dog with human abortion or that I'm against it.

[Jennicat]

Well, if the dog went into heat like the OP said it did, it's obviously not fixed, unfortunately. :\

[bubblz]

This is a dead end arguement. With far too many what ifs.

[Punkygirl0101]

I know you cannot be talking about me...I was the first person to even ask if the dog was really even pregnant.

But the op has left, so we might as well drop it.

[bubblz]

Oh God no punky I was refering to the people who seem to think It's OK to yell at everone because to them it's their right.
By the way how's the pack of weiner dogs doing? theyre' so cute

[Punkygirl0101]

They are great! Me and the overweight weenies are walking even more...I want them to stay healthy, and live long lives!!

[bubblz]

Yeah I've been trying to walk my Gradey further in the morning before work nsince it's so nice out....doesn't always happen though I need sleep. Between work & school it gets rough.

[Punkygirl0101]

When school starts in August, i will be going back to public school for my senior year so I will have alot less time with my pets. Of course, I will spend every minute with them after school! I won't be able to walk them all everyday anymore...it will be too hard, so I will most likely walk 2 a day, for a half hour so they atleast get to go out. THey have a big back yard to run around in..so thats good.

[bubblz]

I work full time and go to college nights so I'm always busy. I can take my dog to work though. and my boyfriend is home with him when I have class. Yeah we have a big fenced back yard so he get's alot of runninng in. a lot of our friends have dog to so we do A LOT of play dates at the house for them

[Punkygirl0101]

Both of my best friends have atleast one dog.. They bring them over alot for play dates. And one of my neighbors has a dalmation I sneak over often for play dates (my mom would kill me if she knew though..she doesn't like big dogs near ours..bad experience).

[bubblz]

Too funny. We actually joke around that Gradey (he's a Rottie) has a girlfriend and she's a rat terrier who's 6 month oler than him if you so much as mention her name he goes right for the door it's so cute. they're so funny together she can run laps around him she's so quick. He's real good with other small dogs too

[sert123]

i know its old the op left becuse all she asked for was how many dogs in a first litter so she can preare to take care of them not if she should spay them she wanted to know i think 2-3 dogs depending on size less or more

[Cryingscarf]

1. this is a post 2 months old, and has been long forgotten, why bring it back?

2. well she posted on here and people will give her the best advice there is, and spaying the dog was the best for the dog.

[Jessy]

I have to admire your heart. I work at home http://www..com and I have a sweet doberman a few years old and didn't need the troubly so I had her spayed. But I admire your heart, just remember you are responsible for taking care of them pups and finding them a home, live up to it.

[bethaliz]

I'm sorry to hear that the humane society was incorrect about your dog being spayed. Depending on when your dog was bred will depend on weather or not your vet will do a pregnant spay. I personaly wouldn't do it, but that's my personal choice.

The general rule of thumb is the smaller the dog the less amount of puppies. A larger dog can have as many as 15 and smaller breeds tend to have 5-7 pups.

I can probly give you a better idea if you can answer a few questions.

How old is your dog?
What breed is she?
What is the breed of the dog she was mated with?
When did her heat cycle start?
When was she first bred?
You said she may have been bred more than once, was it the same day?
How long inbetween?
HOw many times do you thing he got her?

I would like to offer you my support during this time. I understand how difficult this situation can be, I also understand how hard breeding (especially your first time) can be. I wont say that I have all the answers, but I have been working with a Shih Tzu breeder for quite sometime. I have my own dog from her on a breeding contract and was there through the breeding, pregnancy and the birth. I delivered this last litter! It was exciting! So I maybe able to answer many of the questions that you are going to have.

email me anytime at sed_007@yahoo.com

Sarah

[lneill84]

This thread is over 2 months old

[bethaliz]

Sorry I didn't realize that when I posted