Hunting???

[SugarGlider9562]

What do you think about hunting. Just put what you think about it. I am just wondering what u think about it.

I think it is ok if you are going to eat what you are going to kill. If you arent that is just wrong. Fishing for fun is wrong b/c u can hook a animal and let it go and still kill it. Like loins eat Zebras to survie we eat animals to surive, but I know we dont have to eat them to surive.

[Cryingscarf]

my opinion is that i dont like it, and i would never do it. but i mean. some people like it.. i am not going to rant at them to make them stop. I will state my point of view if asked, but if not, i wont get in the way.. BUT if its hunting an endangered species.. then.. yes i will protest and everything.

[HandcuffedAngel]

I am against hunting.

My reasons ... they're available upon request.

[Spudnik]

I'd prefer it if people went out and killed whatever they wanted to eat after it had lived a free, happy life, rather than run down to the local supermarket and grabbed some factory farmed meat.

[Pippin]

Humans have taken a lot of land from animals. Hunting is one of the few ways to keep populations down and prevent starvation and disease.

[Dr Doughnut]

Im agaist hunting UNLESS its for survival. I do support fishing tho

[SugarGlider9562]

I am against hunting endangered animals, but like white tail or a animal that there is alot of I am now against it. As long as it is the right time. I usually wont kill a female just males

[Pippin]

I understood the part about endangered animals....but could you rephrase that last part into something understandable? It sounds like you are now against hunting deer and numerous animals....yet you state what gender you hunt?

[Pandapita04]

I think people here need to do more deer hunting.. They came up with a law afew years ago that if a police officer See's a deer in city limits then they have to kill it, then it's just disposed of... We saw a fawn that still had spots dead beside the road in the middle of no were on Saturday.. But some thing that I disagree with is killing something just to kill it, on the same day we were on a dirt road on the side of a mountain and there are not very many people that take the road, we didn't see any one else on the road and it is extremely wooded and miles away from the nearest house.. We were driving along and we found a 3 1/2' timber rattlesnake that had a huge broken stick beside of it and someone had beat its head open, and it was warm and still had its "road kill reflexes" it's head was torn apart but it was still moving just like it was alive... We took it home it was still moving for about an hour till dad put it on ice, after that we took it to the basement to skin it and it had 5 undeveloped eggs and it's heart was STILL beating... I could understand killing it if it bit someone but it was MILES away from people and in a national forest were it couldn't hurt people then someone comes along and beats it to death?? Someone also abandoned a medium mutt, we tried to catch it but it we skittish and had obviously been abused:mad:

[Deguism]

Hunting endangered animals is wrong. I don't mind hunting so much (although I would never do it). I love fishing. I will usually play catch and release. I don't know why people are so offended by catch and release. Fish can't feel anything and once the are put back in the water, they recouperate fast.

[Spudnik]

Fish can't feel anything? Where did you read that?!

I'm fine if people fish/hunt and eat what they catch, but just as a sport? I think it's pretty horrible... such a waste of a life! Catch and release puts the fish back in the water with a high risk of infection from the wound.

[ratbrat21]

I'm ok with hunting and fishing. My father inlaw hunts deers and cooks it too. That way it doesnt go to waste. And as for fish...well he keeps some to cook but if they arent big enough he puts them back. I'm not agianst hunting unless its with endangered animals or if people are doing it for the heck of it (abuse). I would say fun but my father in law thinks hunting is fun so i cant say that lol! So yeah im ok with it as long as you cook it and eat it so it didnt die for nothing.

[Deguism]

Ok fine, SOME fish can't feel. I read that in an article and also scientist have proven that some don't feel anything. I love fishing. And I think fishing is better than hunting because when you catch a fish it won't scream or anything like that, but when you hunt, the blood comes out and the animal is screaming and trying to get up, etc. And the fish will still survive after you catch it (unless you decide to eat it), but a deer you can't shoot and then throw it back into the wild.

[Rachy1412]

Hunting is sick and cruel. You don't need to hunt to eat so thats no excuse. We wouldn't have to cull animals via hunting if we didn't hunt in the first place. We kill off the strongest predator, therefore not allowing the strongest to breed and carry on their line. This results in the overpopulation of the prey. What fun can you possibly get out of killing an innocent animal, the terror that animals must feel. It is not natural for an animal to be shot or chased by dogs, many animals suffer greatly before they are killed.

Anyone who hunts, for what ever reason is sick.

[Deguism]

What do you think about fishing?

[Spudnik]

For whatever reason? So you're fine with people eating factory farmed meats instead? :confused:

Fish bleed Deguist... that's how they become infected and die. It has also been proven that they DO feel pain. Was the article that you speak of in a fishing magazine?

[Rachy1412]

For whatever reason? So you're fine with people eating factory farmed meats instead? :confused:

Heck no. I don't eat meat.

Fishing is different, you don't go out with a bunch of dogs and guns. I don't know much about fishing though so I won't pass judgement on that.

[Deguism]

i argee with that. its not as brutal and the fish won't die on the spot and you can put it back in too.

[Elvish Legion]

Heck no. I don't eat meat.

Fishing is different, you don't go out with a bunch of dogs and guns. I don't know much about fishing though so I won't pass judgement on that.

Way to sterotype

I've gone hunting a few dozen times, never once with a gun or a dog.

When we go hunting we just take what we can eat (usually a single deer or turkey)...plus it takes a lot more skill to bow hunt than it does to rifle hunt

Elvish

[Rachy1412]

No matter what weapon you use your at an unfair advantage. It still scares the animals and theres just no need for it.

[HandcuffedAngel]

A lot of times [more than not] a bow in an animal does not kill it instantly like a bullet can do and that animal is left to suffer as it dies.

I'm really not trying to be rude, I just wanted to point that out. I don't like talking about these things because I get all rhiled up and then I say stupid crap that makes me look ... well ... stupid.

Sometimes I'll get so feisty that I'll be talking and it will all make sense in my head but when I go to say it my brain is so badly scrambled that it comes out horribly wrong or not even understandable in the least.

[HandcuffedAngel]

I noted earlier that I am against hunting.

Now, for the sake of it and because someone is asking, I'll clear it all out and say I'm against fishing as well.

[Elvish Legion]

A lot of times [more than not] a bow in an animal does not kill it instantly like a bullet can do and that animal is left to suffer as it dies.

I'm really not trying to be rude, I just wanted to point that out. I don't like talking about these things because I get all rhiled up and then I say stupid crap that makes me look ... well ... stupid.

Sometimes I'll get so feisty that I'll be talking and it will all make sense in my head but when I go to say it my brain is so badly scrambled that it comes out horribly wrong or not even understandable in the least.

You have to hit the animal in the right place, just like a bullet, if not the animal runs off hurt and suffering

[Rachy1412]

Exactly, why the hell do you want to take that chance? Is it fun to see them suffer?

[Elvish Legion]

Exactly, why the hell do you want to take that chance? Is it fun to see them suffer?

No, I'm against guns, is that alright?

[Rachy1412]

I don't understand how you are agaisn't guns when you use a weapon that is even worse than a gun!

[Elvish Legion]

I don't understand how you are agaisn't guns when you use a weapon that is even worse than a gun!

Look, we do it like the native americans did it, with a bow, and careful aim. Do you know anyone that has ever been shot and killed with a gun on accident? I do my grandfather.

Do you drive a car? You are contributing to polution and suffering of animals too...you aren't any better

[animallover741]

well i for one am DEFINETLY against hunting. I think it is the most stupidest and horrible thing. You dont need to kill an animal to survive... Theres stores. you can get food there and it doesnt have to be meat. animals like deer and turkey are meant to live in the wild not being hunted and killed by humans. In PA almost EVERYONE hunts and i cant stand it! i hate them all. All the people that ride my bus do and they kill the animals to watch them suffer. And then brag about it. My neighbor hunts and sometimes ill hear gunshots go off at night and if he ever comes onto my property to hunt i will kill him.
Well thats my opinion on hunting and i think its dumb.

[Rachy1412]

Pollution is a different subject, don't try to compare the two. Native americans had no choice, we do. I don't see how any animal lover can enjoy killing a living creature for no reason.

[Elvish Legion]

Pollution is a different subject, don't try to compare the two. Native americans had no choice, we do. I don't see how any animal lover can enjoy killing a living creature for no reason.

I dont see why I have to justify my actions, more often than not people hunt for the trophies... I hunt for the meat, and like I said once in a great while at that, its not like I go out and cull all the deer I can find.

And they are often over populated in the areas I pick to go hunting

[Rachy1412]

Their over populated because of hunters. If we didn't kill off the predators there wouldn't be a need to cull!

Hunting for trophies is worse than hunting for meat, atleast when you hunt for meat you use the animal. But that doesn't make it right. I have no problem with eating animals but in this stone age you don't need to . It is just an excuse to hunt. How do you know if the female has babies? Not only will you be killing her but how ever many babies she has. The babies will starve to death as a result of your actions.

Fine you don't have to justify your actions but you seem to continue to do so. If theres nothing wrong with hunting then why don't you just leave it at that?

[Spudnik]

Rachy, I thought that you ate poultry and fish? :confused:

I'm confused as to where you stand. In the other thread you say that you have no problem with people eating other animals, just with the way they are raised with chemicals and slaughtered in a horrible way. Hunting avoids both of these.

[Rachy1412]

I am starting to contradict myself now, lol.

Yes I eat poultry, only free ranged and I do eat fish. I don't see a problem with eating animals just the way they are kept. However, you don't need to hunt for meat at the moment. That's just wasting another life. In an ideal world people would just hunt for meat and no animal would be kept in such horrible conditions. But thats not realistic, I will never see the entire world stand up and say "No!" to the horrible living conditions of cows, pigs etc.

[Elvish Legion]

Their over populated because of hunters. If we didn't kill off the predators there wouldn't be a need to cull!

Hunting for trophies is worse than hunting for meat, atleast when you hunt for meat you use the animal. But that doesn't make it right. I have no problem with eating animals but in this stone age you don't need to . It is just an excuse to hunt. How do you know if the female has babies? Not only will you be killing her but how ever many babies she has. The babies will starve to death as a result of your actions.

Fine you don't have to justify your actions but you seem to continue to do so. If theres nothing wrong with hunting then why don't you just leave it at that?

Over population leads to many animals straving to death...and most hunters I've talked to only target bucks...the female could very well have babies and thats not right.

And fresh meat you don't worry bout all the hormones and crap that supermarket meat has yuck! If I had it my way the FDA would become a lot stricter on the meat world...but it won't happen

[Punkygirl0101]

I think, we need to stop breeding animals for meat, and stop these slaughter houses..and people need to go out, and hunt their own food. Not only is it healthier because the animal is not stuffed with steroids, but the animal gets a good life before it dies.

I think hunting for any other reason BUT for food (if you don't buy your meat at the grocery store) is completely wrong. Killing something for fun? Thats just cruel.

[Elvish Legion]

I think, we need to stop breeding animals for meat, and stop these slaughter houses..and people need to go out, and hunt their own food. Not only is it healthier because the animal is not stuffed with steroids, but the animal gets a good life before it dies.

I think hunting for any other reason BUT for food (if you don't buy your meat at the grocery store) is completely wrong. Killing something for fun? Thats just cruel.

A lot of people would strave to death :eek: just like if we took away cars people would freak out!

[Punkygirl0101]

Why would people starve to death? Meat is not the only food we have to live on.. I am not saying to close down supermarkets..

[Elvish Legion]

Why would people starve to death? Meat is not the only food we have to live on.. I am not saying to close down supermarkets..

Because they'd have to stomach gutting their own meat...it grossed me out at first...

You'd be amazed at some of the lazy people I've run across...

[xtazx92x]

personally i dont agree with it but ive got nothing against people who do it, although i do think its mean to do it just for the fun of it because if u r hunting it to eat it thats just what other animals do to other animals and we r animals and thats what were suposed to do. if that makes sence lol. but i still wouldnt do it whether i was gonna eat it or not because im a vegetarian :)

[Punkygirl0101]

Well, if they can't handle what the actual slaughter houses do, then they shouldn't be eating it.

[HandcuffedAngel]

Look, we do it like the native americans did it, with a bow, and careful aim. Do you know anyone that has ever been shot and killed with a gun on accident? I do my grandfather.

Do you drive a car? You are contributing to polution and suffering of animals too...you aren't any better

Driving a car is necessary to live in today's world properly. Hunting is something people do for fun and can cause severe agony to an animal that is improperly hit.

Don't you drive a car? And you're using a computer.

We're all contributing, but the intensity of an animal suffering from cars and computers versus being shot in the rib is a pretty big difference ['lest the car hits it and does not kill it instantly].

[Elvish Legion]

Don't you drive a car?
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Nope, not unless I have no way around it, I ride my bike ever where I need to go, I hate driving. And I disagree that you have to drive to live properly, I have no problems doing what ever I need to do. If I need something from the store I grab either my bag or my trailer, if I need to go somewhere I go, etc etc. Its not something you have to do, its just its not as easy as hoping in a car to go (but much cheaper if you don't drive...gas is expensive)

[HandcuffedAngel]

Nope, not unless I have no way around it, I ride my bike ever where I need to go, I hate driving. And I disagree that you have to drive to live properly, I have no problems doing what ever I need to do. If I need something from the store I grab either my bag or my trailer, if I need to go somewhere I go, etc etc. Its not something you have to do, its just its not as easy as hoping in a car to go (but much cheaper if you don't drive...gas is expensive)

That depends on where you live.

I don't have a bike or a car ... but I live way the Hell out in the middle of nowhere and I'm vegan. The only place that sells vegan food is a half-hour drive away, not something that would be smart to try on a bike.

Not everyone is so pleasantly placed to have access to things easily on a bike.

I understand what you're saying, but for a lot of people a car is necessary. Such as for my mother, whose work is an hour's drive away and the college I am going to this Fall is an hour out as well.

For a lot of people, we just can't function without a car.

[Punkygirl0101]

I have a car, and do drive it...but I don't go anywhere really. I usually drive my moped around when I go to friends houses, and to school. That takes up no gas, and I don't have to petal..lol..since I am pretty lazy.

[Elvish Legion]

That depends on where you live.

I don't have a bike or a car ... but I live way the Hell out in the middle of nowhere and I'm vegan. The only place that sells vegan food is a half-hour drive away, not something that would be smart to try on a bike.

Not everyone is so pleasantly placed to have access to things easily on a bike.

I understand what you're saying, but for a lot of people a car is necessary. Such as for my mother, whose work is an hour's drive away and the college I am going to this Fall is an hour out as well.

For a lot of people, we just can't function without a car.

I think its not so much a matter of not being able to function with out said car, as it would be really really tough to get by but you COULD do it if you had too...when I first decided to commute everwhere by bike I got discouraged....the rain would soak me to the bone, the cold would make me hurt and want to give up....that was the first year. Since then I've noticed that seemed hard or impossble http://www.raceacrossamerica.org/
for example, are now closer than ever within my reach.

If you give it an honset shot, you'll be amazed at what you can do, not only to save some money, but to make your self feel better (30 minute car ride = how many miles btw?)

[HandcuffedAngel]

I think its not so much a matter of not being able to function with out said car, as it would be really really tough to get by but you COULD do it if you had too...when I first decided to commute everwhere by bike I got discouraged....the rain would soak me to the bone, the cold would make me hurt and want to give up....that was the first year. Since then I've noticed that seemed hard or impossble http://www.raceacrossamerica.org/
for example, are now closer than ever within my reach.

If you give it an honset shot, you'll be amazed at what you can do, not only to save some money, but to make your self feel better (30 minute car ride = how many miles btw?)

Like I said, easy for you to say. I don't even own a bike and since I don't have any mode of transport, I can't work and thus I cannot buy a bike.

I suppose it is not impossible, but it still is not something I'm looking to do anytime soon. The way I'll be living by Fall, I won't be able to do it without a car. The temperature will be below zero and my college will be an hour and a half to two hours away from my work [by car] and twice that by bike and an hour away from my home [by car].

Half hour drive around here is about 45 miles away.

Considering how hectic and far apart everything in my life will be, it won't be possible on bike. Trying to bike through a foot of snow for 4 hours to get to my college classes does not seem like a whole lot of fun to me.

[Elvish Legion]

Like I said, easy for you to say. I don't even own a bike and since I don't have any mode of transport, I can't work and thus I cannot buy a bike.

I suppose it is not impossible, but it still is not something I'm looking to do anytime soon. The way I'll be living by Fall, I won't be able to do it without a car. The temperature will be below zero and my college will be an hour and a half to two hours away from my work [by car] and twice that by bike and an hour away from my home [by car].

Half hour drive around here is about 45 miles away.

Considering how hectic and far apart everything in my life will be, it won't be possible on bike. Trying to bike through a foot of snow for 4 hours to get to my college classes does not seem like a whole lot of fun to me.

http://icebike.com/
its a blast...untill you hit a nasty ice slick on a corner and go down hard...:rolleyes:

[HandcuffedAngel]

http://icebike.com/
its a blast...untill you hit a nasty ice slick on a corner and go down hard...:rolleyes:

I still can't fathom getting everywhere I need to be on time with a bike. I'm going to be working full time and going to college full time and I plan to work at the humane society by my house, which is the opposite way of my college.

Without the snow, I'm looking at probably 4-5 hours inbetween them by bike. Not a chance, Love.

[HandcuffedAngel]

I understand how hard you believe in living the way you do and I encourage it fully, but there are people like me out there that don't have that option.