lavender oil

[hamstermoo]

does anyone know if lavender oil is ok for hamsters? i was reading on a holistic website where one vet said to use it diluted as a mite remedy

[TiaMaria]

To be honest, I've never heard of this remedy.

[Moosley]

i would say no and not to use it, even diluted down, it is still a strong scent and hamsters have very delicate respiratory systems.

[TiaMaria]

Just do it the right way, stop taking short cuts.

[hamstermoo]

i am not about to dip my hamsters in toxic chemicals

[Moosley]

have you tried an injection of Ivermectin? if the hamster has mites the vet should have given one. If not then i would change to a vet that knows that they are doing.

Lavander oil will NOT kill mites i assure you the only thing to kill mites is the stuff you call toxic...

[TiaMaria]

Lavender oil is a very bad smell, hamsters hate it, just read up on it, diluted or not it effects their lungs and isn't good for them at all!

[TiaMaria]

Dipping your hamster in chemicals, you must be mad! It helps your hamster get better, it is cruel for you to just let it suffer and not treat it properly..

[TiaMaria]

This is for pets:

Fleas

We know of no treatments that do not kill the fleas. Try combing out the existing fleas and repel future insects using one of the following means:


Tea-tree, eucalyptus, mint, rosemary and lavender oil are all good bug repellents - try making up a mix and spraying a few drops onto your carpet.
Tea-tree oil applied to the back of the neck and the base of the tail (where they can't lick it) should help keep your cat flea-free
Xenex - a chemical-free flea treatment available from the vet.
Supplement with vitamins and minerals. Chlorella, klamath lake algae, spirulina and garlic are all thought to help make dogs and cats less attractive to fleas.
Denes make a liquid garlic that can be mixed with water and used to groom through the coat to repel fleas.

***Diluting lavender oil and placing it on your hamster will cause upper respitory inffections and other problems. Placing it close to but not to close to the cage will prevent any more fleas or mites but not kill the ones you already have***

[Moosley]

Also, garlic is thought to be bad for hamsters so i wouldnt advise using it.

[biffyclyro89]

Just do it the right way, stop taking short cuts.


OH MY GOD. Tia just shut the hell up, your doing it again, your always horrible to anyone just asking a question. JUST SHUT UP. im fed up of you thinking you always know best. Their not taking shortcuts. Just asking a god damn question. Maybe, just maybe theres more than 1 way of doing something and your way isnt always the only way

[LMDH]

Quote:
Originally Posted by TiaMaria
Just do it the right way, stop taking short cuts.



OH MY GOD. Tia just shut the hell up, your doing it again, your always horrible to anyone just asking a question. JUST SHUT UP. im fed up of you thinking you always know best. Their not taking shortcuts. Just asking a god damn question. Maybe, just maybe theres more than 1 way of doing something and your way isnt always the only way


Actually I have to agree with Tia - there are NO shortcut when it comes to your pets health.

Take you hamster to a vet and get some ivermectin. You dont 'dip' your hamster in it, you either get an injection or a drop on the back of the neck - this is usually a three week course.

Mites are then cured and theres so stalling whilst you 'try' to find a 'safer' alternative.

[TiaMaria]

Yea avoid that one, the site I was on providing information for all size of animals..and garlic is definately not good for hammies, sorry should have read the post b4 posting it here better.

[biffyclyro89]

Actually I have to agree with Tia - there are NO shortcut when it comes to your pets health.

Take you hamster to a vet and get some ivermectin. You dont 'dip' your hamster in it, you either get an injection or a drop on the back of the neck - this is usually a three week course.

Mites are then cured and theres so stalling whilst you 'try' to find a 'safer' alternative.


im not trying to say shes wrong, its just the way she says stuff. She always has to say it in a spitefull way

[Moosley]

i get what you mean Biffy and i would have agreed with you once but i think my 'tiff' with Tia is long over and i think it was what went on between us was what really made everyone choose between... dont make me feel bad for that!

Tia has offered some great advise and there is no need to carry on any kind of argument in this thread, it would be easier and nicer just to let it go yeah? Good advice was given... and over the internet, it is easy to mix up how someone feels or how the put their point accross...

[TiaMaria]

I'm not even gonna comment..lol..

[hamstermoo]

my vet warned against ivermectin and chemical dips...and i'd rather be safe than sorry. my hamster is responding well to echincea so i thought i'd see if lavender oil might drive it home w/ the mites because theyre almost gone

[Moosley]

well. no offense... but ur vet is stupid then. if you don't weant to cure your hamster as quick as possible just say so... ivermectin is just one or two quick injections and could save your hammy so much uncomfortableness.

we have all said that lavander is a big NO. so sure you go ahead but you've already lost any respect i had. how difficult is it to go to a different vet or get a second opinion?

[TiaMaria]

I agree with Moo! ^^

[Yorkie Licious1]

I don't know a whole lot yet... but it's just like food... organic is better.

I don't know what is in these things, though.

[Moosley]

Organic is not better if it isnt safe for the animal and doesnt help! their is NOTHING organic that will cure mites!

Organic stuff like tea tree (very diluted) can be amazing for helping the skin irritation but mites are a parasite and are NOT going to be killed by anything natural like that!

[Yorkie Licious1]

Yes I agree... but I was talking about food.

I understand.

Apperently there is no natural alternative.

[TiaMaria]

I'm a little lost with Yorkies post *scratches head*

[TiaMaria]

Bottom line, people invented these methods such as injections and medicine to help prevent further attacks on the animal. You should always follow the proper method and not take shortcuts with your pets, there is no cure for mites thats "natural" Hamster that were wild and infested with mites died, don't put your hammies through that pain if you truly love him, take him to the vet and get the injection. It's just like us people getting a flu injection, use your head and common sense. You are making your animal suffer by trying all these natural methods that don't work. You should be ashamed of yourself. People like you anger me, I don't think you deserve a hamster or any other pet to begin with, if you can't properly care for it.

[Yorkie Licious1]

Okay...

I was saying... like food... natural (or organic) is better.

My point was, just because people make it, doesn't mean it's safe.

Meat has hormones in it that are dangerous to our health... natural meat that you can buy at HS is safe... do you see my point yet?

Natural is always better... but in this case there are no natural alternatives.

[Moosley]

sure. but what does it matter? nothing to do with hamsters and nothing to do with 'trying' to treat hamsters with lavander oil

[TiaMaria]

Not nessicarily Yorkie, but for the most part yes I agree. Why is this topic even in this post, it really has very little to do with the questions the person posting wanted to know? Maybe create a new topic to argue about organic food and such?

[Yorkie Licious1]

NO... I just ment the situation is similar to organic food versus un-natural food... or lavendar oil versus chemical stuff... but appearently only the chemical stuff works... which I did not know that to begin with.

Just, never mind...

[TiaMaria]

The natural stuff will deter mites from coming back, but it won't stop the ones already there infecting the poor little ham ham.

[Yorkie Licious1]

Yes... I understand... sorry for the confusion. :o

[bubblz]

you may want to get a bit more info before giving others advice :) you're still a newbie in the land of hammies.
They may be small animals but there's a lot to learn

[TiaMaria]

hehe bubblz :p

[bubblz]

hey I'm not trying to be mean but you need some expreience under your belt before you go off spouting advice.
Tia read my signature......That's what get's me the most heated on pet's hub know what you're talking about or don't talk....
I'm a bratt I know :)

[Yorkie Licious1]

For your information... I didn't give any advice.

All I said that it was situation was similar to organic food vs. proccessed food... natural vs. chemical stuff.

I think you had better read through the post again... instead of being an ass.

[Yorkie Licious1]

Nice way to welcome a newbie.

BTW... I've been studing ALOT these past few days.

I even know how to identify Russian Campells from Robos and Winter Whites.

I even saw a Red Eyed Argentene and Dove Pearl at the store today.

Soooo... I know I am not experienced yet... but you have no right to judge me.

Instead of being a melancholy JERK... read the whole post before YOU jump to conclusions.

You'd better take a look at your own siggy.

[TiaMaria]

Bubblz is not being an ass, he is stating what he feels like, the forum moderators won't put up with your flaming, so I suggest you appologize. Bubblz is a loved member of our community here. Treat him with some respect and dignity and you will do fine here. If you don't you'll be reported and banned. No one deserves to be flamed.

[Moosley]

But then again, Bubblz comment was completely pointless and unneccessary, she had apologised, explained when all she did was point out something and it was a fair point anyway!

On another note, i very much doubt you saw a Dove Pearl anything Yorkie. Not even sure that exists and if it does, the chances of seeing one are nil. Was it a dwarf or a syrian? as you can only get smoke pearl syrians and you can get pearl winter whites but you cant get dove winter whites.. cant get pearl campbells (i didnt think?! will go look again) but can get merle

[bubblz]

There was a point I wasn't trying to be mean and I wrote that from the get go.
Some of the people who come to this forum are only here a short time and they see someone has a decent amount of post who's handing out advice they figure hey they must know what they're taking about then it turns out the majority of their post are from knowlege of another type of pet.
it can be very decieving. But doing research for the past month about hamsters in no way makes you an expert. (See yorkielicious's own post about natural is always better) I understand it was retracted later but it was a knowledgeless based post and that's what I was trying to discourage.
My signature means that you should become educated before hand. And that is exactly what I'm promoting.
Calling me names is completely uncalled for and I'm sorry if your maturity level makes that difficult to comprehend. I'm trying to encourage you to do the right thing without being pushy or rude and you're resorting to calling me names.
BTW Moosley my comments I had were not related directly to only this particular post. People who are completely new to a particualr type of pet yet not new to pets hub spouting off advice can be dangerous. They have no foundation and I was trying to discourage it.

[bubblz]

I don't get it I try to be polite and thoughtful. I don't "yell" at people or cram my opinions down their throat yet I'm the one being called vulgar names

[TiaMaria]

It's okay bubblz I still love you! Just cheer up, some people just have no class.

[Yorkie Licious1]

What!!!?!?!!!!

I NEVER, EVER, said in any way I was an expert!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! All I said was, was that I have been studing alot... I never said I learned it all in one day!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Your post was completly out-of-order.

I wasn't giving any advice at all.

I was refering that organic food that PEOPLE eat vs. proccessed food was similar to the situation that of lavendar oil vs. chemical stuff.

I did not give any advice on purpose. At this time I did not know that nothing would work but the chem stuff.

I did not go off and say, ''OMG that terrible chemical stuff is really freakin' bad for you hammies!!!''

That would be stupid.

I DID NOT GIVE ANY PARTICULAR ADVICE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You keep saying I was giving advice and you were trying to deter me from giving it... FOR THE LAST TIME, I'LL TELL YOU... I DID NOT GIVE ANY ADVICE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Do you know why I ''resorted'' to calling you names???
Because your post attacked me, and you are so rude!!

You had to know that your post was going to start trouble.

You pretended to be nice but you had a really smirk way of telling me I shouldn't be giving any advice... which I DIDN'T!!!!!!

You've completely insulted me... I don't even feel welcome here anymore... I guess I'll just keep my butt at the dog forums, where I'm ''educated'', and hope not to see you around.
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Moosley, THANKYOU for being nice to me and standing up for me... I appreciate you.

However there is such thing as a Dove Pearl! I was refering to Campells.

www.hamsterific.com/Varieties.html

Scroll down to the Dwarf Russian Campells section and look for ''Dove Pearl''.

And I believe we can get them at this ''mom and pop'' store called ''Josettes''. They can and do get in a variety of really exotic animals... and I know they get in rare species of crabs... so I believe they can do it with hammies, too! And the little one looked just like the one in the pic.
BTW... I know... I spelled Argente wrong!
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TiaMaria... I don't have any class? How would you know that? Just because I said ''ass'' with good reason, when someone ticked me off...?

I've read some of these posts through here... and you've had your fair share... so just because I'm a newbie... that means I can't get ticked, like you?

So if I have to treat bubblz fairly... why can't you treat Moosley fairly... (yes, I saw the post) I know you said ''ass''.

And if the moderaters won't put up with my flaming... I guess they won't put up with yours either. ;)

I'm just curious...

And no, I am not, and do not have to apoligize to bubblz... I believe she owes me an apology.

[bubblz]

Wow you call me names and I'm expected to give an appology.
I don't pretend to be nice. I have no alterior motives, I'm not trying to hurt anyones feelings. I just like hamsters.
I wasn't rude to you and I wasn't condescending, I Politley expressed an opinion.

[Yorkie Licious1]

Well, then, why am I offended if you ''just gave your opinon''... which was totally wrong.

I do expect an apology because you were totally wrong about what I was saying.

And I'm sure you've called someone a name in you lifetime when you were burned.

I understand that you don't wan't newbies giving advice... but I didn't give any... that's why your whole post was pointless!

[Yorkie Licious1]

Have you even read this thread through???

[bubblz]

Your first post appeared to say that you though natural was alwyas better like food. I understand you later corrected yourself. I was just saying be careful.
You can read every post I've written I've never personally attacked anyone here it's not my style. If anything I'm often asking others not to attack people.

[Yorkie Licious1]

I was talking about PEOPLE food not hamster food... If you thought that's what I ment.

Like I said... there was nothing to be careful about, because I hadn't given any advice.

I totally understand about how you don't want newbies to give advice... but if I had ever given my opinon on here... I have always said ''I'm just a newbie, myself...'' or ''I don't really know alot yet...''

You see...

But I have had hamsters before, when I was really young... but I didn't really know what all the varieties were or anything like that... but I know what they are like... so it's not like it's my first time ever, ya know?

So just try to understand that I was not really giving advice... nor am I seriously giving advice at all.

Ashley

[bubblz]

RELAX. People in the hamster forum tend to be a bit nicer than some of the others forums. Most of the comment here are not attacks and people get really offend when you're hostile when some one makes a polite comment. You blew this entire thing out of porportion and resorted to very juvenile tatics.

[TiaMaria]

Yorkie, Bubblz was just being concerned about your previous post and was warning you to watch what you advise people etc. You took it completely the wrong way, treated Bubblz like crap and then wanted him to apologize!!! That's just rude, I have reported you to the admins for your behavior. You blew the entire thing out of proportion and you were VERY VERY rude. Flaming isn't welcomed here and that's exactly what you did. NOW go to the rules page and read them carefully, drop the subject and let it be. Or you could continue acting very immature and flaming people and be banned by moderations and admins here. They dont take kindly to people who abuse long time members here. I'm sure they see Bubblz post as I saw it, he was simply trying to make sure you didn't give the wrong advice and told you to watch what you post. If he was trying to insult you or attack you it wouldn't of been a post like that and that is not Bubblz character at all. I believe you own him an apology. Bottom line drop the subject before the admins lock the topic and ban you.

[Moosley]

ok ok guys :p remember why we are here! think... *lavander* and *oil* and *hamster* and *mites* !! forget the fighting lol

[TiaMaria]

hehe...lavender smells so pretty :D I have it as my body wash :D

[Moosley]

Bergamot, ylang ylang, chamomile, ginger, cinnamon and mandarin are all nice smelling, i love natural oils and my oil burner too :) ... just NOT on or near my hamsters!

[TiaMaria]

exactly!!! I agree 2000000000% :)

[bubblz]

Hey I don't know If I'm just a geek but I LOVE downey simple pleasures vanilla and lavender fabric softener it smells great LOL

[Yorkie Licious1]

Tia... why are you allowed to cuss?... I'm not flaming anymore... I'm just curious... If you reported me... why can't Moosley report you?

P.S. I am sorry that I flamed and cussed... but Bubblz didn't have to tell me not to give advice... I already knew... and I didn't give any on purpose... that's why I got cross, 'cause I, on purpose tried not to give straight-forward advice... and then, I don't know I just got ticked 'cause then she started telling me not to give any advice... which I thought I wasn't!

Sorry for the rambling.

[Yorkie Licious1]

Instead on handling it like I did I should have politely said, ''I wasn't trying to give and advice... but I'm glad you mentioned that.''

Or something nice like that...

Yeah... I'm really sorry.

[Yorkie Licious1]

Oh... and I have been here for a long time, too! It's just I made another account. I just look like a newbie.

In fact, I've been here longer than Bubblz and Moosley.

[TiaMaria]

You weren't telling any advice, we both know that, anyone who has read this posts know that, I just believe you gotta take everything with a grain of salt on these forums, some people get out of hand, then again you read some posts wrong and get upset. Bubblz was just stating what Bubblz felt and you can't be upset at people for stating opinions, you're allowed to challenge there opinion but not flame them. As for cussing, I never said don't cuss, I just said don't cuss at a person directly or call names at them because that is flaming.

[TiaMaria]

Moosley could report me, but why would she? I haven't done anything to her. (we pretty much got over what we were previously fighting about)

[Spudnik]

Aye, us British are great like that :p

[Moosley]

dont drag me into it again! its oooovveerr !! get over it LOL

[TiaMaria]

lol k I wont hun!