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satine
09-08-06, 11:46 AM 09-08-06
my aunt has a jack russel (it may be a cross i cant remember) and shes wants to breed it
Now i have tried to convince her using points form theeses froums to no avail,the dog is astonishingly well cared for as my uncle has an illness which means he cant work. There is Nothing i can do. this dog Will be bred from. i would really appreiciate it if you could help me with my question rather than tell me how bad it is to breed etc.:o I want to help theese puppies all i can
this is gonna silly but they have a father sorted
how do you actualy get them to mate?can you help te process along?
How long is gestation?
what essential info do you need?
what bout birth?
anyexperience or websites please!

Iridal
09-08-06, 05:54 PM 09-08-06
I don't have any answers to your questions. But have you told your aunt you will refuse to help her? I'd refuse to help her with her dumb decisions.

The ONLY thing I would help with is help the pups find homes if she can't do it. I'd let her struggle with it for a bit at first. Without your help, she may realize how hard it is and will never do it again.

Clover4
09-08-06, 06:31 PM 09-08-06
I second Iridal's suggestion and if they are going to be unethical in the choice of breeding then you should take the Female and the Male to the vet and have a FULL checkup performed as to the health status of the 2 dogs.. Other than that I really do not want to provide any other information that would support your endeavor...
I hope it all turns out well as I will make no further critical remarks.
clover4

Iridal
09-08-06, 07:18 PM 09-08-06
I wouldn't take them to the vet myself. My conversation would be something like this... "I do not believe what you are doing is right. It is wrong. You are breeding for unethical reasons, and I cannot respect that. I will not help you, because I don't support your actions and I don't want to be a part of this. You are on your own. Again, I don't support what you are doing, but for the sake of the poor pups you are about to bring into this world, please at least discuss this with your vet so that you can take care of all the necessary health tests."

kittykat05
09-08-06, 09:48 PM 09-08-06
Someone just said in another forum (pro-life/anit-neutering, I think) about can't you just make the dogs mysteriously disappear??:wizard: Then when they mysteriously reappear they be neutered/spayed! :wizard:


Yeah sorry about that, it's late and I get weird.

allyg8tor
09-09-06, 03:44 AM 09-09-06
I third Iridal's post. I do love Jack Russels, but we need no more new puppies/dogs. Don't help her, or do what Kittykat suggested... :p I probably would.

lneill84
09-09-06, 04:15 AM 09-09-06
No responsible vet is going to encourage this to happen, especially with Jack Russells. They need to be sat down and given a talking to. Bring them to a shelter, contact JRT rescue and have someone come and talk with them from there.

satine
09-11-06, 11:19 AM 09-11-06
i honestly dont hink theres anything i can do. i jsut wanna help so that evn if they are breeding irrospensibly the pups wont be the ones to suffer

maryjane238
09-11-06, 11:42 AM 09-11-06
well the puppies are probably only going to suffer because they will be bred to parents who have not been health-tested and sold to homes that will not be interviewed and without spay/neuter contracts. most dogs can mate without interference from humans. and if they can't, why would you want to help them? the answers to the other questions can all be found very easily on the internet or....hell, i don't know...from asking a VET maybe? i know these aren't your dogs and i know that some people are just ignorant and stubborn and cannot be told that they are wrong. however, that is the time when you just need to step back and let those people make their own mistakes. the last thing you need to do is offer them help on a bad decision.

satine
09-13-06, 08:43 AM 09-13-06
maryjane-i couldnt find the ansews on the internet as looked before i posted because i though that i would only get critised here

well yesterday i got home o have my auntie phone me about how the dogs met. she took her when she was about to go in season but nothing happened. well put it this way if she didnt know my opinions she does now. the dogs are still meeting agin though sigh.
ple"let theese people make their own mistakes" they asked em for help. theese "mistakes" are going to be alive and i couldnt stand not to help them

lneill84
09-13-06, 08:55 AM 09-13-06
The worst thing is that Jacks not a pedigreed breed, as MaryJane pointed out before, which means you don't know backgrounds. As much as the AKC has been debated on here, they do have some good. Even the Parson, which is recognized, has HUGE health issues from irresponsible breeding. My vet bred Parsons for several years, and got out of it-he said he couldn't find a 100% health tested, conformationally correct dog in the USA. It became such a hassle to just find two quality dogs that could at least have healthy babies. I don't know how someone can't get that these puppies will most likely have some major health issues, especially because they haven't even seen a responsible vet. No repsonsible vet would give them the go-ahead to breed two jacks.

maryjane238
09-13-06, 10:16 AM 09-13-06
I guess I just don't understand how you think you are helping these dogs. Maybe you could explain it a little better. The ONLY thing that would help the parents at this point is spaying and neutering which, apparently, is not an option. The puppies have not even been bred yet so there is nothing for you to help with. If, for example, the puppies are born and the mother rejects them then that would be something that you might be able to help with. Until that point, I would let them figure it out on their own. You have tried to tell them why they shouldn't breed and they won't listen. No reason to inform them on the most effective times/ways to breed...hell, maybe they won't be able to figure it out on alone and the dogs will luck out and not have to be bred! You never know.

Iridal
09-13-06, 02:01 PM 09-13-06
I've already said I wouldn't help them, lol... the only reason I mentioned asking them to see the vet for checks is that I'm hoping the vet will tell them not to do it!

HandcuffedAngel
09-13-06, 02:12 PM 09-13-06
Your auntie needs her head examined.

I could help you, but I'm very sorry as my beliefs will not allow me to do so. Best of luck. :(

DazyDaizee
09-13-06, 06:40 PM 09-13-06
I have an alternative to make your aunt reconsider breeding. She has a female dog, right? Does she realize that by not spaying and allowing her to have puppies she's reducing her dog's lifespan? She's also putting her more at risk for developing mammary tumors and there's the possibility of any unspayed dog getting pyometra, which is basically a pus filled uterus. There can also be complications during birth which could be either very expensive for your aunt, or lethal for the dog. She is risking her dogs life and endangering her health for the fun of having a bunch of mixed breed puppies, who, even if they find homes, will cause others to be euthanized.
Adorable, well mannered, adoptable puppies are put to sleep every day because there are not enough homes for them all. Even if she finds homes for these dogs, she's taking away from the unfortunate dogs who are already in shelters on their last days because of irresponsible breeding. It's just not fair. It's completely selfish of your aunt. The only person benefitting from this would be her. It's just not fair.

If I were you I would not offer to help in any way. Let her know that you do not support her decision and will not assist her in any way. If she wants to breed her mutt, she can figure it out for herself. And let her know she's also endangering her dog and possibly costing herself quite a bit of money and heartache in this whole situation.

I don't mean for this to be offensive, but it is VERY difficult for me to comprehend how someone could do this. I see dogs put to sleep every day because their owners are irresponsible and didn't care to train them or didn't feel like paying for surgery or didn't want to deal with them anymore. We have people come in with their healthy dogs asking for them to be euthanized because they no longer want them. It is unfair. And these are dogs WITH homes. They are the "lucky" ones. There is no need to bring more mixed breed dogs into the world just so that more can be euthanized for no reason and more can be adopted out to irresponsible homes. There are too many dogs for the amount of people willing to take good care of them. There is one scenario where I support breeding. When professionals breed healthy, long-lived, good natured, purebred dogs with the sole purpose of bettering the breed. I love mutts just as much as the next person, but the fact is irresponsible breeding has led to the massive overpopulation of dogs that we now have. And we do not suffer for this. The dogs suffer. The dogs are the ones who die for this. I don't think it should be legal to have an unaltered dog as a pet.

You could always have your aunt check out this link also http://justonelitter.com/

And of course we realize that this isn't your decision, but I don't think anyone here is going to give you any tips on how to successfully breed dogs, because the less she knows, the less likely it is to happen, and the more fortunate the dogs are.