Selling/Obtaining Gliders Illegally

[HandcuffedAngel]

This is really making me crazy.

Melissa, you need to get off your soap box and you need to stop owning gliders. You should not be trying to sell your gliders to illegal states as these gliders will be taken by the government and possibly euthanized. I can only hope they are rehomed in another state, but that is not a guarantee. You are possibly damning these animals to death.

If you want, get them up to Michigan and I'll take them. They're legal here. Stop trying to sell them illegally.

Also, you people asking for them need to research the laws of your state on gliders before trying to obtain one. If it's illegal in your state, don't get them! Pick another pet or move to a different state where they're legal.

I say again, if you are in a state where it is illegal to own gliders [that means check first], then do not try to get people like Melissa to sell to you because you could have them taken from you and it will go on your police record.

[GliderBlowout]

She also sells normal greys for a jacked up price. Grey (or BB as she calls them...lol) Go for $150-$175 (with $175 being VERY hand tame and sleeps in your bra and comes with a 3 or more gerneration pedagree)

[HandcuffedAngel]

Wow. $150 ... maybe.

But I see Buttercreams go for $175 [I LOVE Buutercreams!]. O_o

She's a crazy person.

[Jennicat]

Also, selling gliders on Petshub is against the community guidelines. Only rescue animals are allowed.

[HandcuffedAngel]

So then I'll be reporting Melissa.

[muse]

The price for a gray is usually $150-175, I know this because I've been looking for a breeder for about a month now and that's the common price range I've gathered from about 24 breeders. BB is black beauty and they've got more defined black markings then grays which is probably why they're priced more.

[HandcuffedAngel]

I sometimes see them for $175 but you have to consider that Melissa is probably not a licensed breeder and I can get brand new beautiful, hand-tamed joeys from a USDA Licensed Breeder for what she is selling hers for.

So considering her situation, her prices are "up there" since she is unemployed and needs to find them homes immediately.

[2SugaKids]

A BB in my opinion is nothing more then a darker standard. There is no need to charge more for a lighter or darker standard. A BB is BS to have you pay more.

[FemaleCheetah]

I agree with 2sugakids, it is ridiculous to have to pay more for a BB.

[muse]

Lol, what's your point? It's rarer than the average grey. Hell people pay well over $7000 for creamino sugar gliders simply because it's a different color.

[GliderBlowout]

ACtually Black Beauties are not that rare! It's actually quite common to find breeders all over selling BB, chocolate, lion, cinni, Brown Beauty and all those other "colors" for around $150. The problem lies when its not a reputable breeder with many generations of this color in the glider's lienage. These "colors" can be caused by diet and/or scent marking. Also, you DO NOT have to be licenced to sell gliders. The USDA will not even send you out an application form unless you have more than 3 breeding females.

[HandcuffedAngel]

Little bit off-topic, guys. O_o

In any case, Melissa's soliciting posts have been reported since they are against the rules [rescue animals only].

I believe in karma. I believe Melissa will get what's coming to her when she's least expecting it, and it's going to be a painful reality.

Melissa, I can only hope that someday someone will catch you and find you and put you in jail where you belong for animal cruelty and the selling of illegal animals. Someone will give up your name. Believe it.

[FemaleCheetah]

I just think its ridiculous to pay more money for a BB when they arent that rare and there isnt a huge change in color, they are only slightly darker then the greys.

[FemaleCheetah]

I agree with u/what u just said gliderblowout 100% :)

[HandcuffedAngel]

Lolz! I can't wait to get gliders. ^_^

I haven't seen any cute photos of gliders at all on here for a very long time. You guys should make a post for it. I want to see the babies. I do.

I might try to get some of the ones that come into my local exotics shop. ^_^

[FemaleCheetah]

pics of my glider :)

His name is Meeko, I dont have any current pics but I will take tons once I get him in his new cage (Its on its way, I just ordered it and $200 worth of stuff to go into the new cage).

I am also getting another male joey in 2-2 1/2 months and his name is shakespear.

Enjoy!

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[FemaleCheetah]

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[muse]

I'll be purchasing an 8 week oop joey from a breeder around the beginning of Oct. Are you a member of GC, FemaleCheetah?

[FemaleCheetah]

yes I am muse

[FemaleCheetah]

are u going to be getting a standard grey joey?

[GliderBlowout]

I would NOT get a glider from a pet store! Gliders are not the type of animal to be sold in pet stores and buying one from there will just encurrage this behavior.

[HandcuffedAngel]

Meeko is so cute! I just love him. ^_^

I can't wait to get mine, but it may be awhile. :(

[HandcuffedAngel]

Glider, please read before writing. I said I was going to take photos of the ones that were in there ... I never said I was going to buy from there.

They are the only local place with gliders so I drop in from time to time to play with their new arrivals. Thank you much.

[FemaleCheetah]

thanks handcuffed angel :)

[HandcuffedAngel]

No problem! Ogling is what I'm good at. :D

[GliderBlowout]

Sorry, I was just stati9ng that for anyone else who was thinking of getting one from there after reading your post.

[HandcuffedAngel]

I didn't even say the name of the shop. O_o

In any case, I think it's better to obtain them from a breeder or a home that can no longer care for them properly. I'm sure a heavy breeder that I'm not interested in supporting supplies my pet shop with them.

I just like going in to play with them because I have no other way of even seeing any unless I drive out to Redford.

[m0usey]

Lolz! I can't wait to get gliders. ^_^

I haven't seen any cute photos of gliders at all on here for a very long time. You guys should make a post for it. I want to see the babies. I do.

I might try to get some of the ones that come into my local exotics shop. ^_^
HandcuffedAngel, if you read your post, it DOES sort of sound like you were going to buy one...that's also what I though. "I might try to get some of the ones that come into my local exotics shop." lol I wouldn't even guess you meant pics!

[HandcuffedAngel]

It does, doesn't it? Lolz! :laughing:

Anyway, I forgot to do this earlier ...

:hug: HUGS :hug: to GliderBlowout for being so caring about all gliders. Go you. :D

[SuggieLovers]

Your glider pics are gorgeous :) . But my main point of this post is this: Why is it that people want to get on all Sugar Glider boards and bash somebody :confused:? Why can't you do that in private emails? You look at these post where you are bashing Melissa (I don't know who she is) and it looks like by your post you don't even own gliders yourself. That doesn't make sense to me. If she is selling to illegal states, email her privately and ask her why. She may not know it is an illegal state. The thing is, I am a moderator of a local pet forum and we DO NOT allow bashing on the board. That should be a private thing. I think it is ridiculous that some people don't have enough respect to care for peoples feelings. So in closing, you may not like what I had to say but it is the truth. You see people on these forums all the time and all they try and do is cause trouble and then they say they are just looking out for gliders. That's bullcrap. It is a power thing and it is where someone feels if they bash someone it makes them look big and powerful and all in all it makes them look like a fool. So if you want to look like a fool, keep up bashing :applause:. Sorry if you don't like what I have to say, but everyone has their own opinions.

[2SugaKids]

You'll see A LOT of people bashing. Some people are just known for it. If I see a user name i just kinda lean back in my chair bracing myself for what im about to read. LOL

[HandcuffedAngel]

SuggieLovers, Melissa already stated that she does know these are illegal states but that she does not care.

Also, we don't have PMs and I wanted to address the entire community, not just Melissa. People need to check their state's laws before even asking for gliders which means 2 people are in the wrong when a person in an illegal state asks and another person offers to sell to them instead of saying, "Your state is illegal. You should not be obtaining gliders."

I don't consider myself as known for bashing. But, maybe I am. I said what I felt needed to be said.

Welcome to PetHostile. The only pet forums that permit the utter and senseless emotional thrashing of other members.

[2SugaKids]

Welcome to PetHostile. The only pet forums that permit the utter and senseless emotional thrashing of other members.
It couldnt be any better said!

[HandcuffedAngel]

I also wanted to note and did not yesterday, that I don't want to be judged because I don't own suggies yet. I have been doing extensive research for months in preparation for my babies and I love gliders as much as anyone.

I have heard about what happens to gliders when they are found in an illegal state and I don't want that to happen. It's irresponsible for these people to not check the laws in the first place, and completely out of line for Melissa to come out and say she'll sell them to these people even though she knows their state is illegal. It's not fair to the animals that get caught up in these messes.

[Susan51]

HandcuffedAngel alot of good loving people have sugar gliders and many other illegal pets in Ca.The laws here are rediculas.If we own them most are willing to do what needs to be done to keep them safe.That includes getting them to a safe place if they are reported.It is bashing to a degree so please welcome folks from Ca.just as you would anyplace else.If they have gliders or any other pet of special needs they are here to learn.We aren't just a bunch of monsters hon.Thankyou
Susan

[bruises]

"alot of good loving people have sugar gliders and many other illegal pets in Ca.The laws here are rediculas.If we own them most are willing to do what needs to be done to keep them safe.That includes getting them to a safe place if they are reported."

Ridiculous or not, it's still the law. Sometimes, you don't get the time to get the pets to a safe place if they are reported. So, yeah, you're knowingly risking the lives of your pets when you keep them in an illegal state. *shrug* Also, how many does have completely certain safe and secure homes lined up for their illegal pets?

[HandcuffedAngel]

I agree that some laws are ridiculous, but they are still the laws.

Susan, you cannot come on here and make me look/sound like the bad guy when you are the one risking the lives of your animals by bringing them into a state where they are illegal. You don't like the laws of your state? MOVE.

If you cannot or do not want to move, then do not get illegal pets. It's that simple. I don't think that you do not love your gliders, but I think you are simply being selfish by keeping them where they are in danger.

[m0usey]

Very well said.

We are not bashing (lol I almost typed basking by accident) and we aren't against people in California. It should just be obvious that you should not own or sell animals in illegal states or countries. California is more lenient (or at least more people ignore the law there) but I have still heard bad stories from there. It is not fair to the animal you own, and it doesn't matter how many people break the law or how stupid it is. It's still a law and the animal can still be taken away.

If you already have an illegal pet I'm not going to tell you to give it away, but I think it's irresponsible to own in, buy in, or sell to an illegal state.

[melissabigler]

Ok I am THE REAL MELISSA an apparently someone has ed into my user info an tryed to tick people off all over the country! Great! Got to love people who know me messing with me not real friends i guess since i dont know who I NEVER SELL TO ILLEGAL STATES! Ever! I tell people first of all if they move i will rehome them, second im am very selective about who gets my guys, third gliders in nh go for 200, i dont have any plain normal greys in my family except my non breeding rescues, i do have cinn apricotts , wf, wf champange, an champanges, i do donate part of what i sell them to my local humane society the rest goes back to the gliders, there is only one liceneced breeder in nh an he sells for 200, i do make sure that new glider parents have my home work an cell numbers as well as my email, i have had gliders for allmost 4 yrs, gliders go home with pouches an food an info sheet where to purchase EVERYTHING!, you dont need to report me my gliders get the BEST of EVERYTHING, i dont sell one glider i only go in pairs for they are communial an my cages are bigger then most even though all they use it for is sleeping, there out allot, oh ya dont need licence i only have 2 breeders at any given time. Thanks for the concern! I didnt post those! oh ya an buy the way if i cannot post for sale then noone should!

[GliderBlowout]

Ok, there is no such thing as cinn apricotts. There are buttercremes and cinnis though and they are RARE. (because these "colors" can be from bad diet or cent staining) The true ones, have at least 3 generations on both sides with these colors present. Also, champanges go for over $1000 as they have lues. in their backgrounds, so I HIGHLY doubt you have these. Please feel free to show us pictures if you think I'm wrong, as we will see just what colors they are. Also, you DO need a breeding licence. It's not how many gliders are breeding at the time, it is based on how many unspayed females you have. If you have over 3, it is illegal to be breeding ANY and selling them. Also, if you get more than $500 a year, you must get a licence. (with the price you charge, if you only sold 3 a year, you would be over the limit) How are you sending gliders to new homes with food? They do not eat pellets or hard dry foods, so anything you send with them would spoil before they got home.

[melissabigler]

this site an you people are useless i tryed to up load the photos but they wouldnt load but if youd like i could email you them but then again why bother with you people this isnt a bash room oh an buy the way some of my femals are babys so of course they cant breed silly

[GliderBlowout]

Like I said, you DO need a licence. You are breeding illegally. The reasons you need one are:

1. You have more than 3 females
2. you make more than $500 per year selling them


And, you should also know that female gliders CANNOT be spayed.

[m0usey]

Well melissa, it's nice to know that you are indeed responsible :). I'm sorry about whoever it was taking over your account.

But that was after I read your post. Now I'm all confused : /.
Melissa, don't leave. The info you'll get here is really good. And you're right, other people shouldn't post for sale ads either, because that's not what PH is for. Well whatever's up I hope it gets sorted out because I don't know too much about gliders lol :D.

[melissabigler]

thank you to all that have been nice to me , my vet dose spay either sex so yes you can fix a female an no i dont make over 500 because i donate a good chunk to my local humanie society an females that are sterile an males thet are sterile dont count as breeders , oh ya an i dont get allot of babys in a yr prob 4 at most

[HandcuffedAngel]

LOLZ! Nice post. Way to go ... "over the top".

The post still holds relevance and you didn't need to have a heart attack on here. Maybe it's time to let it die ... freaking psychopaths.

[GliderBlowout]

It doesnt matter how much profit you make, just that you have sold over $500 a year. If you have 4 joeys a year, at $200 each, that means you make $800. Also, females cannot be spayed. (and males are neutered...not spayed by the way) There was one female I heard the vet tried to spay and she ended up VERY sick and dying since females must be spayed a total of 4 times because they can have 4 different ages gliders which means they have 4 sets of reproductive organs. Any good glider knowledgable vet wont even atempt it because it is too dangerous and you can have the male fixed at a VERY low risk.

[melissabigler]

yes i know females are neutered buy the way tks anyway, im happy with my gliders that i have now an am planning on possibly getting a mosaic male as well

[FemaleCheetah]

no melissa females ARE SPAYED MALES ARE NEUTERED!!!!!

And as gliderblowout said females CANNOT be spayed so u just totally lied.

I hope you dont get a mosaic male because all u will do is breed him and sell more gliders, I bet u sell to anyone who has the $$$ too.

[Jennicat]

Technically speaking, neutering can be used for either gender, since it means "to castrate or spay" when used with animals.

[HandcuffedAngel]

Melissa ... I want to say that if you really think that we are useless and our site is useless, then please shut up and go away.

Also, you obviously have no clue what you're talking about. Go get educated, and come back when you're not as stupid.

[GliderBlowout]

AMEN! At least we know she will NEVER get a moseic because the people that have the rare gliders require you to be USDA licenced and pass ALOT of questions about care and such. She would NEVER pass...lol

[melissabigler]

get a grip people i screen my new glider parent an do home checks as well as they become part of my extended family , yes you can "fix" either sex, yes you can give dry food along with fresh fruits an veggies, yes i do have a vet,yes my gliders are healthy an happy an my glider family humanes are happy with there new babys, never had any problems ever, never sell single gliders only same sex pairs, my gliders are a big part of my family, geez i couldnt an wouldnt move back to ca after talking to dept of agriculture cause there not alloud, my babys are going to a nice couple who have built a new home for them its great 6 ft tall buy 4 ft buy 4 ft, i am friends with quite a few breeders who know i am a respondcable pet owner, oh an buy the way i am educated an am thinking of possibly taking a trip to australia in the near future to study, so stop bashing we can all get allong

[HandcuffedAngel]

Dry food? Eew. Doesn't that hurt their jaws and cause serious problems?

You're not that educated. You can't even spell the word "and" correctly. You also cannot spell "responsible" [you slaughtered that one].

How old are you again? I could point out many more mistakes, but it's not a spelling lesson. It's my question of your age and actual range of "education".

[melissabigler]

ok i can spell just dont type well bad joints in rain dosent help, but who cares about me

[melissabigler]

oh an i said "an" not "and"

[HandcuffedAngel]

this site an you people are useless

I will say it again ...

Then go away. First you say such a thing to us and then say we can "get along". Hell will freeze over the day I get along with an imbecile like you.

If we are so useless then please leave and find people who are useful. I am not interested in your insults or your stupidity on these forums.

[HandcuffedAngel]

get a grip people i screen my new glider parent an do home checks as well as they become part of my extended family , yes you can "fix" either sex, yes you can give dry food along with fresh fruits an veggies, yes i do have a vet,yes my gliders are healthy an happy an my glider family humanes are happy with there new babys, never had any problems ever, never sell single gliders only same sex pairs, my gliders are a big part of my family, geez i couldnt an wouldnt move back to ca after talking to dept of agriculture cause there not alloud, my babys are going to a nice couple who have built a new home for them its great 6 ft tall buy 4 ft buy 4 ft, i am friends with quite a few breeders who know i am a respondcable pet owner, oh an buy the way i am educated an am thinking of possibly taking a trip to australia in the near future to study, so stop bashing we can all get allong


If typed correctly, it would have looked like this:

Get a grip people. I screen my new glider parents and do home checks as well as they become part of my extended family. Yes you can "fix" either sex, yes you can give dry food along with fresh fruits and veggies, yes I do have a vet, yes my gliders are healthy and happy and my glider family humans are happy with their new babies. Never had any problems ever. Never sell single gliders, only same sex pairs. My gliders are a big part of my family. Geez, I couldn't and wouldn't move back to CA after talking to the Dept. of Agriculture because they're not allowed. My babies are going to a nice couple who have built a new home for them, it's great, it's 6 ft tall by 4 ft by 4 ft. I am friends with quite a few breeders who know I am a responsible pet owner. Oh, and by the way I am educated and am thinking of possibly taking a trip to Australia in the near future to study. So stop bashing. We can all get along.

Now ... what was that you were saying about being educated?

[melissabigler]

didnt know that this was english class and i dont care, you do have to much time on your hands , and im no longer waisting mine! have a great evening

[HandcuffedAngel]

I had the day off and my girls are asleep. Thanks.

Please do not ever come back. You are not welcome here.

[GliderBlowout]

How can you only sell same sex pairs? gliders do not always have same sex joeys, and the ones from othe rparents would have to be introduced after 8 weeks oop. Also, males fight to the death 99% of the time they are housed together. Also, females CANNOT be spayed! It is FAR too dangerous and not even vets in Austrailia will attempt it!

[m0usey]

I found this on a website:
"At the time, there is not an easy way to spay a female, and most veterinarians will not even attempt it."

I am not entirely sure what to think. Melissa sounds repsonsible but then when HandcuffedAngel and GliderBlowout reply it makes her sound like a dope.
I'm so confused lol

[melissabigler]

my male joeys get along fine an are not usually from diff parents, i have no prob introdcing my males to new males, the vets in concord, nh hes a really good vet, ive had people go to him befor though non of my gliders are alter i just keep them seperated

[GliderBlowout]

Ok, so now you are telling lies. You clearly stated before that your gliders were both spayed and neutered (well, as far as I took it considering you didnt even know the difference between spay and neuter) and now you are saying they arent. Which one is it? Either way, you still have to have a USDA licence to be breeding and selling. You are a dope and everyone here knows it. The information you give is wrong and dangerous.

[tvrodents]

i should think she means breeding gliders. dont take them to heart mellissa, i have been 'bashed' too becuase i breed exotics. have you noticed how hard it is to find decent small animal forums (like this one could be if it tried) that aren't run by the 'fluffy-bunny-brigade'?
you sound like a very resonable breeder to me.. and i should know seeing that i breed myself (although not gliders) and no what i am hearing when talking to a fellow breeder.
hey, iv bred guenthers voles. im the first in the UK to do so... does that mean im lying??
mellissa feel free to visit my website and get in touch via that. i can tell you about some good forums that are keeper specific rather than mostly aimed at pet owners.
www.freewebs.com/abcexotics

Kat

[Sopwith Camel]

Apparently, everyone is breaking that rule. Go ahead and file a complaint on all of us, myself included. I have posted ads to sell my babies on this site too. Are you sure you are not making up your own rules, dear?

Danielle G.
Bedford, Iowa
"Come and find me in New York for this stupid quarter."-Whoopie Goldburg-Jumping Jack Flash-propeller



Also, selling gliders on Petshub is against the community guidelines. Only rescue animals are allowed.

[Jennicat]

No darling sweetheart, I'm not.

I'm sure that it might be hard for you to find the "guidelines" link at the bottom of the page, so here's the link to it so you can read it on your very own.

http://www.petshub.com/guidelines/

"We consider rehoming and adoption as a kind act with best interest for the animal and involves no fees or minimal adoption fees only.

Do not try to sell animals by posting it as a rehoming case but asking for more than minimal fees. We consider these as advertisements. All posts that have advertising content or links will be removed."

[Sopwith Camel]

Well, until someone OF AUTHORITY tells me not to, I'm gonna keep right on doing it.

Danielle G.
Bedford, Iowa

No darling sweetheart, I'm not.

I'm sure that it might be hard for you to find the "guidelines" link at the bottom of the page, so here's the link to it so you can read it on your very own.

http://www.petshub.com/guidelines/

"We consider rehoming and adoption as a kind act with best interest for the animal and involves no fees or minimal adoption fees only.

Do not try to sell animals by posting it as a rehoming case but asking for more than minimal fees. We consider these as advertisements. All posts that have advertising content or links will be removed."

[Jennicat]

That's a very mature attitude to have.

[Sopwith Camel]

I personally do not think it's any of your business what anyone else does on this site, do you think you need to get into thier business?

Danielle G.
Bedford, Iowa:confused:

[Jennicat]

I must admit, I am a bit baffled by people's constant statements that "such and forth isn't your business". You're posting it on a public site. If you really don't want it to be other people's business, why not invest in a private weblog?

[Sopwith Camel]

Because we aren't hurting anyone and it ISN"T any of your business. Sometimes, when things are not right in our lives, we try to poke our heads into what we think isn't right in other people's lives so we don't have to worry about ourselves.

I think we just need to be worrying about ourselves around here, concentrating on our own thing and leaving others alone.



Danielle G.
Bedford, Iowa
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[Jennicat]

Maybe public forums just aren't right for you.

[HandcuffedAngel]

I'm with Jennicat.

[m0usey]

Of course it's our business. You posted it here for the world to see. The point of the Community Guidelines is to keep us happy. If you do something (especially clearly outlined in the Community Guidelines) and we are unhappy with it, then it should not be posted and the mods have every right to throw you off this forum for breaking the rules.

The Community Guidelines are there to be followed, not ignored. The "someone OF AUTHORITY" (or someones) happen to have written that page so they don't have to constantly tell people who don't follow rules to follow the rules. Duh. :rolleyes:

[melissabigler]

i finnally read the guid line sorry i never read them befor now i know there their

[HandcuffedAngel]

i finnally read the guid line sorry i never read them befor now i know there their

I finally read the guidlines. Sorry, I never read them before. Now I know they're there.

Didn't Melissa say she was educated?

[2SugaKids]

Some kinda sh*t is ALWAYS going down in petshub! Im glad to be back!

Hugs and kisses!

[HandcuffedAngel]

It's what keeps us interesting.

Besides, she's been asking for it.

[2SugaKids]

HAHA! Yeah I read this whole thing and yes she is!