Two moms

[dustangel21]

My cat 'Foxy' had kittens about a week ago. Shes an outside cat. Shes a first time mom and she didn't know what she was doing at all at first. I woke up one day and I noticed there was something weird happening, I looked outside and there was some male cat on this table on my porch. He was sniffing around the table acting strangely so I got up and I noticed there was something on the table. I ran outside and scared him off, the female Foxy was below me acting like she didnt know what was happening. I picked her up to try to get her to lick the kitten and break the sac the kitten was in but she wouldnt, so I just took my nails and broke the sack and took a rag and wiped its nose and mouth off. I tried to get her to get its cord and after birth but she wouldn't do that either. I have another cat 'Tiny' that had kittens probably a day before that and hers didnt make it, so I figured she might take care of it since Foxy didn't know what she was doing and I put her up there near it and she started licking it and taking care of it as if it was hers. It was so sweet to watch both of them mother these kittens when just one of them was the real mom. They were laying together when Foxy was still in labor while the one cat that wasn't the mom 'tiny' was nursing it. She even grabbed the second kitten right after it was born and started getting the after birth and broke its sac since Foxy still acted as if she didn't know for sure what to do. Now the kittens are about a few days old and both moms, Tiny and Foxy are taking shifts to nurse them. I have some pics of it I would really like to show but I have no idea how to put them on here. Can anyone tell me how to do that?

[1993Kat1993]

Do to www.photobucket.com and make an account. You can upload your pictures on there, then copy the [IMG] link for each picture and paste it into your message, then post as you would with a normal post. Next step is to get your cats and the kittens spayed after they are weaned.

-~Ketlin

[dustangel21]

pic of tiny and foxy with kittens just born

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[dustangel21]

yeah i think i might have done that wrong, not for sure, but anyway heres another:

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[onebunnywuv]

posted the pics for you using the links. on the screen for writing a message, you can click on the little mountain button with the yellow background and add the link ;) the pics are big though... might want to try resizing them in your photobucket account :)

http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x230/dustangel21/CIMG0645.jpg

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gorgeous cats. which is which??? i love the calico (I think she's a calico??)

[FemaleCheetah]

Yes please get your cats spayed, there are enough unwanted kittens in this world as it is.

Beautiful cats by the way :)

[Pandapita04]

Sad thing is I didn't even get a responce when I said they needed to be spayed. :(

-~Ketlin
EDIT: Sorry! Posted under my sister Maria's account.

[dustangel21]

Thanks for fixing that for me I appreciate it. :) And yes I heard you about the spaying, sorry for not replying about that. I will try to do that later on. She had four kittens in all, but one went missing, either it died from some unknown cause or a male cat or something got it. She had them in a good spot and two cats were guarding them so I didn't think to move them. I tried to move them the other day in to my bedroom but foxy didn't like it too well she just kept meowing, guess she wanted to be around the other mom cat tiny so I put them back outside, so they're fine now. What makes a male want to kill their own kind anyway? Is it the same for some cats as it is in lions and such, that they will kill some other males babies so that they can mate with the cat again and have their own spawn? Anyway I don't know but its sad that they do that.

[FemaleCheetah]

You need to bring mama and the babies INSIDE, its to dangerous for them outside.

I am sorry but you need to spay your cats ASAP, as soon as those kittens are weaned... and bring both inside in the mean time otherwise they can get pregnant again.

[dustangel21]

The cats are fine now. The male cat stopped hanging around haven't seen him in a long time. I think they're too old for him to even be interested in them anymore. I tried to bring her in but she doesn't want to be put inside, she refers it outside. I have a big yard though and a front porch and back porch, shes on the front porch right now. She has her kittens in a huge cardboard box, with some type of plastic or something in there along with it so they won't get rained on or anything. The roof covers the box a little also. I've tried to move her in but like I said she doesn't want to be moved. She made that clear when I tried to move her in a couple of days ago, I had her in my room and she was so loud you could hear her all the way across the other side of the house. She was just constant meowing and then I put her back where her and her kittens were and she was fine. My house is far from the road also and shes close to the house so her and her kittens are alright for now anyway. Oh and I'm sorry about not responding on which was which earlier didn't see that question. The calico is Foxy the mom and the other one is Tiny and you would think that Tiny would be related to Foxy in some way, but they aren't. When the kittens get a little bigger though and won't have to rely on their mom so much I plan on putting them inside for a while so that nothing will happen to them, I've just had some occurances where things have happened to take a chance for something to happen to them. I might try to attempt to put her back in my room, I might try putting both the females in there, that might work I dunno. I'll take some more pics later of the kittens, they're adorable and chubby, but I guess thats because they have double the food now.

[Geminigirl]

They need to be inside!!!!!! how would you like to give birth outside in the elements?

[FemaleCheetah]

They are chubby because the kittens more than likely have worms!

I am sorry but this person is a fool... bring the kittens and both females indoors before the kittens disappear and the adults get pregnant again!

[1993Kat1993]

How many litters have these cats had total?

-~Ketlin

[dustangel21]

You know what I take really good care of my animals thank you and I don't appreciate being jumped on this forum not one bit, the only reason I put that on here is because I thought it was unusual for a cat to adopt and care for kittens like that when they are not even related. Ya know honey I think the cats will be fine outside, how do you think cats in general have lasted so long, ya know they weren't always domesticated. They have instincts as well as we humans do believe it or not. I think animals are capable of taking care of their babies on their own. And they do not have worms thank you very much. I've noticed thats one reason alot of people don't come on these forums anymore, they get jumped and accused of abusing their animals when all I wanted to do was tell you about this weird and unusual experience. And just because I have animals outside doesn't mean I don't spend time with them and take care of them like an inside animal. I never asked for your 'expertise' opinion either alright all I wanted to do was share my experience. I have had animals all my life so I think I know how to care for them when I need to. I don't mean to start something on here but obviously some people on here don't care to. Its ok to share your opinion but you don't have to be offensive about it and assume stuff when you don't even know what your talking about obviously because nothing is wrong with my babies.

[dustangel21]

And yes I was with her when she was in labor for those of you who think I don't give a crap, if I didn't would I have even tried to save her kitten. I'm not a fool either and I don't appreciate being called that and for the elements part, you don't even know where I live so how do you know what the elements are. This is her first litter to answer that question, thats why she didn't really know what she was doing.

[dustangel21]

Sorry didn't mean to get mean but I really do take care of my animals here and if you read my post you'd see that I did try to bring her in and I said I was going to try again to bring her in. Again I didn't mean to jump at anyone's throat I'm sorry, I just don't take kindly to someone saying basically I don't care for my animals.

[1993Kat1993]

I've been allover TN, the air is humid and crappy.

How many litters total have these cats had? I don't have so much a problem with them being outside, what really bugs me is them being outside and NOT spayed. They will have litter after litter like that, and they will die.

-~Ketlin

[dustangel21]

The weather isn't all bad here at all. If it was believe me I'd bring them in, which I plan on doing that anyway soon. I plan on getting them spayed sometime soon also so no worries and this altogether is their 2nd or 3rd litter. Thats with both cats together. This is foxy's first litter of kittens. But on a lighter note here are some pics of the kitties.

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[dustangel21]

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[FemaleCheetah]

Yea well cats ARE domesticated now and they rely on us to care for them and keep them safe.

Your cats need to be spayed, you are contributing to the cat overpopulation.

Those poor kittens are forced to live outside and probably wont be spayed/neutered and will also make more and more babies IF they even last. Kittens are very vulnerable and for you to have 2 unspayed cats that keep having kittens is just irresponsible and does not show that you are a good pet owner. I bet your cats aren't even UTD on vaccines.

[dustangel21]

Like I said my cats are well taken care of. Those cats are strays so I think me letting them stay here instead of dumping them somewhere like some ppl do and feeding them and paying them attention just like I would inside cats is not being a bad owner at all. I don't care what you say about anything. My animals are well taken care of thank you and they haven't left to go somewhere else so what does that tell you. I'm here when they need me, what do you propose I do kidnap her babies and take care of them myself when shes doing a pretty darn good job of taking care of them herself. I take care of her and and her kittens and shes doing a good job at that herself. So are you saying by them being outside, which I'm sure there are probably alot of ppl that are on this website that have pets outside, that our animals aren't well taken care of? My animals are happy being outside and content outside thank you very much. Its not like I never go out there at all and pay them any attention. And I'm not contributing to over populating them either. You don't even know how many cats I have. Doing that would be like dumping them off somewhere on the side of the road and I'm certainly not doing that. And if you didn't read what I put earlier I said I am planning on getting them spayed. And for one other thing who are you to say that animals can't be just as happy outside than they would be inside. They've never once tried to even enter my house because they would prefer it outside. I have a huge yard and I'm far away from the road or anything else so they're just as safe as if they were inside. As far as being safe and me caring for them they are and I do.

[dustangel21]

And as for the taking them inside part, like I said I plan on doing that, but that isn't even what the topic was. It was about these kittens having two moms which I thought was sweet and unusual, not me supposedly not caring for my animals. So thank you for your opinions and I plan on doing all those things like I said before. Never said I wasn't.

[Geminigirl]

:rolleyes: ......

[FemaleCheetah]

Well any animal that is being fed will stick around, that doesn't mean they receive proper vet care, etc. I had a neighbor when I lived with my dad who threw food out for their outside dogs/cats every few days but those animals weren't spayed/neutered and they did not receive vet care. The female cat kept having litter after litter of kittens and ALL of the kittens died because they lived outside with the mama cat.

No animal should be forced to live outdoors 24/7. My cats are strictly indoor only and are never allowed outdoors and my dogs are supervised at all times when they are outside.

Cats CAN be transitioned to be strictly indoors, I have seen it done time and time again. At first the cat will not be happy but after some time the cat gets accustomed to being indoors.

Your cats and kittens are exposed to so much having to live outdoors. The adults are at risk from disease and predators and same with the kittens. At this very young age the kittens are especially suceptable to disease since their immune systems aren't built up and they aren't yet vaccinated.

And I don't think I want to know how many cats you have since both ur female cats have had a total of 3 litters... and yes that is contributing to the cat overpopulation...

[Geminigirl]

Thank you!

[dustangel21]

Like I said before they're taken care of like any pet of mine would be and I would take them to the vet or do any other thing for them if need be and that goes for any animal I would come accross that was injured or anything else. I don't feed them every other day or throw scraps out there to them as if they were wild. I feed them everyday and spend time with them each day. I plan on making them inside cats when I move out one day. My cats haven't had that many kittens at all actually. I'm thinking of maybe giving one to my aunt maybe though because her chi. dog has cancer. I wrote a reply yesterday but I don't feel like going all in to that right now because it don't even matter much anyway. I know I take care of them and thats all that matters. One thing I've learned from life is you can't go around assuming things about anyone. But like I said before you have a point and everything but there's nothing wrong with outside animals, I'm sure there are lots of ppl on this forum that would agree with me on that. They're just as happy if not more for now being outside.

[1993Kat1993]

There are people here that have outside dogs because they are working dogs, which is acceptable. And there are people here that take care of feral cats which cannot be taken inside because they are WILD. I don't understand why you didn't get these cats fixed when you started taking care of them. Whether or not you take good care of them there is no reason for not having them fixed before they had all these unwanted kittens. And what do brand of food do you feed them anyhow?

-~Ketlin

[dustangel21]

I feed them good quality brand cat food. I'm not posting anymore on this topic because I know I take good care of my animals and I don't care what anyone says. You don't know me, you haven't seen the area I live in, how perfectly fine my cats are or anything else. Pick on someone else, take your frustrations out on yourself not on ppl that simply get on these forums to escape everyday life, not to get on here and have someone ridicule how they do things and take care of their animals just because you don't think its 'the right way'. Find and pick on some ppl that just leave animals on the sides of roads or drop them off at ppls houses when they're about to have babies, pick on ppl who actually abuse their animals and don't care one way or another about them because that particular person certainly isn't me and for the unwanted animals part, they are wanted, I never said they weren't. If you actually read some of the things I've typed you'd see the answers to your questions lay before you. This was a post about two moms and how unusual I thought it was, if anyone had experienced that before, not anything else.

[Geminigirl]

Hey this is publics forum... And we are not picking at you just stating the truth.

[misscrosson]

awe... the white kitten and calico like kitten are adorable!!! heck... all three are... :) ... wish I had emm... lol

[rodentz]

You know what I take really good care of my animals thank you and I don't appreciate being jumped on this forum not one bit, the only reason I put that on here is because I thought it was unusual for a cat to adopt and care for kittens like that when they are not even related. Ya know honey I think the cats will be fine outside, how do you think cats in general have lasted so long, ya know they weren't always domesticated. They have instincts as well as we humans do believe it or not. I think animals are capable of taking care of their babies on their own. And they do not have worms thank you very much. I've noticed thats one reason alot of people don't come on these forums anymore, they get jumped and accused of abusing their animals when all I wanted to do was tell you about this weird and unusual experience. And just because I have animals outside doesn't mean I don't spend time with them and take care of them like an inside animal. I never asked for your 'expertise' opinion either alright all I wanted to do was share my experience. I have had animals all my life so I think I know how to care for them when I need to. I don't mean to start something on here but obviously some people on here don't care to. Its ok to share your opinion but you don't have to be offensive about it and assume stuff when you don't even know what your talking about obviously because nothing is wrong with my babies.



BAHAHAHAHAHAHA


hte reason you get jumped is because you are an idiot. And yourkilling animals with your stupidity.

[FemaleCheetah]

You still didn't answer the question - what BRAND of food do you feed? We can determine if it is good quality or not... I bet you feed Cat Chow or some crap like that.

Anywas thats not the point, the point is you have 2 unspayed cats that you are allowing to reproduce without doing anything about it. Why not go and get the other female that has lost the kittens spayed asap? And bring the other female with the kittens indoors until you can spay her and vaccinate the kittens.

I am not ridiculing you just stating what you are doing wrong and no one on this forum thinks it is okay to keep an animal outdoors 24/7 especially one that has just had kittens! Find me anyone on this site that thinks 2 unspayed female cats and kittens should live outdoors 24/7... go ahead.

You are an irresponsible pet owner who should not even own pets.

[1993Kat1993]

I feed them good quality brand cat food.

That right there gives the immpression that they are fed crap. If someone asked what I fed my dogs, imma be straight up witchu, I'm not gunna day "I feed them good quaility food".. Imma tell you exactly what they get, which is at least 2 different types of RAW meat daily: Lots to choose from, pork chops, ribeye, yellow fin tuna, chicken heads and feet, chicken legs and thighs, deer, steak, london broil, turkey, the list goes on and every other day they get some pork ogran and there is also 10-15% bone in their diet.

-~Ketlin

[dustangel21]

I never said I wasn't going to bring them in outside or that I didn't try to. I don't see how some of you ppl can even sleep at night down grading others like that. I feed them Purina cat food. The reason I didn't state what it was exactly because I figured someone would try to diss me on that also. Its not like I bought these cats and stuck them outside, if I had done that then yeah I would probably be a bad pet owner but I didn't, they were strays, they arrived here on their own behalf, I didn't force them to stay here. I did not buy them or go get them. All I've done is fed them and tried to take care of them because I'm sure they might have had a rough time in their previous life, is that so bad? If you actually read what all I typed some of you ppl wouldn't even be dissing me about anything. If you read what I posted the first few times. Look at all these ppl that just disgard animals somewhere and abuse them, they're killing them not me. I never said my kittens weren't wanted to begin with. I didn't say I wasn't going to get them spayed. I'm not trying to start anything on here or anything else. I get on here to talk about things and to get my mind off of stuff that happens in everyday life. I came on here to make friends and talk with ppl and share my experiences, nothing else. It just bothers me that some of you think I'm treating my animals like crap when all I was trying to do when they came to my doorstep was to help them out. I am a good pet owner and I'm also a good person atleast I try to be anyway. I appreciate yalls advice and opinions I do, but you don't have to be so mean about it.

[FemaleCheetah]

Purina is a crappy food to feed...

[dustangel21]

I never said I wasn't going to bring them inside or that I didn't try to, I said that I tried to but she didn't like it I put her back out and I was planning on bringing both moms in. I feed them Purina cat food. The reason I didn't state what it was exactly because I figured someone would try to diss me on that also. Its not like I bought these cats and stuck them outside, if I had done that then yeah I would probably be a bad pet owner but I didn't, they were strays, they arrived here on their own behalf, I didn't force them to stay here. I did not buy them or go get them. All I've done is fed them and tried to take care of them and will continue to do so because I'm sure they might have had a rough time in their previous life. If you actually read what all I typed some of you ppl wouldn't even be dissing me about anything. Look at all these ppl that just disgard animals somewhere and abuse them, they're killing them not me. I never said my kittens weren't wanted to begin with. I didn't say I wasn't going to get them spayed. I'm not trying to start anything on here or anything else. I get on here to talk about things and to get my mind off of stuff that happens in everyday life. I came on here to make friends and talk with ppl and share my experiences, nothing else. It just bothers me that some of you think I'm treating my animals like crap when all I was trying to do when they came to my doorstep was to help them out. I am a good pet owner and I'm also a good person atleast I try to be anyway. I appreciate yalls advice and opinions I do, but you don't have to be so mean about it.

[dustangel21]

haha, i figured you'd say that but thats alright. I guess it is better than some brands though. What do you suggest then?

[dustangel21]

yeah and i didnt mean to post that twice sorry bout that.

[1993Kat1993]

I suggest Innova Evo Cat or Innova Cat. Or RAW if you can afford it.

I have read over all of your posts, if I hadn't then I wouldn't know that you keep repeating things. It would be in your best entrest to have the cats and kittens spayed after the kittens are weaned. If it is an issue of money, I will help you find a low cost clinic. As I said I have been all over TN (in most areas of TN anyway). So I can help you if you need to find a low cost place.

-~Ketlin

[dustangel21]

Yeah I know I did repeat some things but that was because some ppl didn't really read over all of what I said. Well thank you for offering your help, I appreciate it! I think I know of a place, I don't think it would be the cheapest and probably wouldn't be able to take all of them at once but someone I know took their cats and I think it was around $30 maybe for each one. I'll have to look in to that.

[dustangel21]

That made me think of a question to ask for anyone who would know, does the cost of getting that done the same for a female or male or does that differ, because it seems like it would in a way?

[FemaleCheetah]

My male cats cost $24 each to neuter, it is slightly more to spay a cat since it is a more invasive procedure. I just got my very 1st female cat and right now she is to young to spay (Only about 9 weeks old). But when I had my female pit bull spayed it only cost me $35 at a low cost clinic so I do not think it would be much to spay a cat... maybe $30 like you said.

And I am not trying to be mean to you, I am just tired of seeing and hearing about unwanted animals being brought into this world and not getting the proper care they deserve.

I feed my cats chicken soup for the cat lover's soul it is only $20 for a 15lb bag at my local feed store and it is an excellent food.

You do not want to feed foods that contain by products, corn, soy, wheat, etc... these are all considered fillers and are very cheap and crappy ingredients.

Don't feed whiskas, friskies, cat chow, fancy feast, etc... these are all awful foods, its like feeding your cat junk food.

[FemaleCheetah]

Any food that can be bought at a grocery store is usually a crappy food.

Petsmart has a food called Nutro Natural Choice that is an acceptable food to feed your cats and its not expensive but I would try and find chicken soup for the cat lover's soul.

Where are in TN are you? What city & zip code? I can look up and see if their is a store near u that sells it.