Moral Dilemma!

[ratbrat21]

Ok I say that cuz I wanna do whats right. But at the same time I am so confused and I dunno. Ok my problem is jeremy and I argueing over our cats now. He really doesnt want more then 2 cats. I want 4, besides felix and tasha, i am talking about keeping victoria and one of the kittens. See I always wanted an orange tabby ever since I was young. And now is my chance to keep one that I have seen since birth. And I think that is a really cool thing. Jeremy said maybe possibly 3 cats but no more. Now felix is definatly staying with us and I really wanna keep tasha too. But would keeping a kitten and rehoming vickie be horribly wrong? I have been told by a friend to just keep vickie cuz kittens are easier to find homes for. But I really always wanted an orange tabby. Jeremy then said "well do you wanna rehome tasha?" I mean tasha is my dream cat. I love tortis so much and tasha is my big fat baby girl. I still have time to maybe work on jeremy but I just don't know what to do anymore. I feel it would be morally right to keep vickie and just rehome all her kittens. But then I would love to keep a kitten too. What do you all think? I'm confused and to be honest I am stressed beyond anything right now. I wanna make a decision I wont regret later. But to be honest I dont see how that is possible if I can't keep both vickie and 1 kitten. So advice....opinions??? Anything that will help me figure this out. Unless I can possibly talk jeremy into this. But if not I need to know what would be best.

[FemaleCheetah]

Honestly I would rehome the kittens and keep the adult cats. There is always time to get an orange tabby. I would not rehome Vickie or Tasha and instead rehome all kittens.

But that is just my opinion and what I would do.

[ratbrat21]

yeah that makes perfect sense and I probably would do that if i cant talk jeremy into letting me 1 kitten. But I am not done trying to convince him. I have plenty of time to talk him into it. Problem is jeremy didnt even want vickie. And me saying i want 4 he just said 3. Anyways thanks for your opinion. :)

[ratbrat21]

ok something i wanna bring up. Theres no way I would rehome tasha not unless it was honestly in her best interest. But bringing up things now made me think of something. Tasha hates felix. She attacks him every chance she gets. Rips hair out and all. I dont see blood or scabs but she grabs his neck and tummy and im worried. Shes the oldest cat....being 5 years old. She almost seems like a cat who would be happier bu herself with no other cats. But I love tasha theres no way i would ever think of rehoming her. I just dunno if she will snap someday and try and kill felix. She chases him away from the window and just seriously attacks him. Should this be something i should worry about? Theres so much tension between them. And felix gets confused cuz he likes to cuddle and tasha just wants to be left alone. I dunno felix and tasha are staying with me no matter. Although jeremy isnt to thrilled with her attacking his cat. He loves felix and has even threatened to rehome tasha if she doesnt get along.

[Jennicat]

Honestly, I don't think that keeping either Victoria or her kittens is in your best interest. You are in the process of rehoming animals currently, and how is it morally "better" to get rid of pets you had longer than Victoria OR her kittens so you can keep either of them? I thought the point of your animal rehoming was to lessen the number of animals you had overall, not replace some types of animals with other, newer, cuter ones.

[ratbrat21]

what?? I rehomed ones i wasnt giving must attention to jenni. And jackie is taking tucker cuz i dont want 2 pigs plus a huge cage. Plus i think she will be a good mommy for tucker. Tucker is gonna love her. I never said i was gonna rehome my older cats. Why not rehome vickie? After all jeremy didnt want me to keep her either. So even if i did decide to keep a kitten instead of her. Which i probably wont. Just putting things out there. No i do not wanna get in over my head again. But thats between my husband and myself. I appreciate opinions and all but its not your decision jenni. Yes im being really jumpy around you...i always seem to be. But thats cuz i am always on edge when we talk. I see what your saying but certain animals i took in were rescues only...animals i intended on rehoming to begin with. Anyways im tired and dont wanna argue........

[Jennicat]

I'm just going by what you said earlier, in another thread, when you said you weren't keeping a kitten.

i dont wanna keep the kittens. Where did you get a stupid idea like that? Would you just be happy if i dumped them on the highway i mean after all i was gonna give them their shots and everything but since people wanted me to terminate the litter why not huh?

If you didn't have time to give attention to rats and or/a guinea pig (as you said above), why would you have time for a more attention intensive animal like a cat?

I'm sorry if I put you on edge, but your story is confusing, and it constantly shifts and contradicts itself. Sometimes you can afford e-vet care for 70 animals, and sometimes you can't, and sometimes you're saving for spays, and sometimes you're fine, etc.

[ratbrat21]

i originally didnt wanna keep a kitten. Because getting attached and wanting one was just gonna be more hassle. But I melted when she had orange tabbies. So now i dunno. Also originally we were gonna rehome vickie. I never wanted to but i figured maybe it was for the best. But I have bonded with vickie. And I would like a kitten. But it all depends on what my hubby says. This is something we have to talk about together. All i was asking for in this thread was opinions on if he only lets me keep 1 more if i should just keep vickie or a kitten.

[Jennicat]

I just thought it might be relevant since you thought it was morally wrong to rehome Tasha since you had her first, but you are rehoming other pets that you had before Victoria or her kitten, and didn't know if you'd thought about that aspect of it.

[ratbrat21]

i rehomed them to a good home with someone who cares and can give them more attnetion then me.

[Jennicat]

Wouldn't you rehome Victoria and her kittens to good homes to someone who would care for them and be able to give them more attention?

[Punkygirl0101]

Honestly, I think its morally wrong to rehome one of the older cats so you can keep a kitten just because the color of the kitten is what you like.

That would be like me getting rid of my older cats, so I can keep the two kittens I have now. Replace the old with the new.

[FemaleCheetah]

I have to agree with Punky on this one.

Keep the adult kitties and rehome the kittens, thats the best thing you can do honestly.

[onebunnywuv]

Heres my 2 cents, take it as you will.

You have 32 animals (if I counted your signature correctly) including the 5 kittens. You said that things have come up (like car problems and whatnot) that prevented you for 7 months to get Tasha spayed. Now you want to keep 1 of the kittens and the 3 other cats. You also said that Tasha doesn't/didn't like Felix. Wouldn't it have been in the best interest of Tasha or Felix to get her spayed when she showed signs of agression towards him? Or perhaps to have rehomed her since Felix was there first? Now you want one of the little orange tabby babies because you've wanted one all your life yet you said that Tasha is your dream cat because she's a torti.

I think your biggest dilemna is that you don't even know what you want. You've bought and rehomed and taken in and rehomed and now you want to keep more kitties and thought about rehoming the older cats??

You really need to sit down and think about all this. You can't have your cake and eat it too. I suggest you rehome the kittens and keep the 3 older ones.

[Punkygirl0101]

Off Topic. Hey FC, me and my friend are going to Las Vegas this summer. ;).

[Silvercat]

I think I'll spare you my personal opinion... I typed it out and it turned into a full-page rant about old cats and loyalty. (I still miss Frisky.) But if I get a vote, I'd say keep the adults and rehome the kittens. Be pragmatic: kittens are usually easier to rehome than mature cats. (I'm not sure how old your adult cats are?)

[1993Kat1993]

Honestly, I don't think that keeping either Victoria or her kittens is in your best interest. You are in the process of rehoming animals currently, and how is it morally "better" to get rid of pets you had longer than Victoria OR her kittens so you can keep either of them? I thought the point of your animal rehoming was to lessen the number of animals you had overall, not replace some types of animals with other, newer, cuter ones.

I agree.

-~Ketlin

[1993Kat1993]

I mean, we all know you can't afford vet bills for 4 cats and probably not 3 cats either. If you were able to get a job you probably would but I don't think you want a job really.

-~Ketlin

[ratbrat21]

ok after thinking I have come to a conclusion. I will keep my 3 older cats. I still would love a kitten but its all up to what jeremy thinks. I was gonna do that anyways. I feel better for doing it this way. I like older cats better then kittens anyways. They are calm and all. So yup thats my decision.

[FemaleCheetah]

Be sure that once the kittens are weaned you can get vickie spayed asap.

[ratbrat21]

yeah my friend said to wait 2 weeks??? do i have to do that? She said to wait 2 weeks. Cuz she will still be producing milk if she has stimulation on her tummy and to stay away from the kittens for 2 weeks so she stops....im confused thats what my friend told me.

[onebunnywuv]

might not be the best site (not sure), but confirms what your friend said...

http://www.peteducation.com/article.cfm?cls=1&cat=1364&articleid=1194

Q. Is it okay to have my pet spayed if she is still lactating?

A. Spaying a lactating (producing milk) female is generally not recommended. Even if the puppies or kittens are weaned, the mother may still be producing a small amount of milk. In most circumstances, veterinarians will wait to spay the mother until she has stopped milk production (usually about 2 weeks after the young are weaned). If a female is spayed while still lactating, the incision in the abdomen may cut into some of the mammary tissue, resulting in milk flowing into the incision site. This can interfere with visualizing the internal organs and may complicate the healing process. In addition, there may be additional bleeding because of the larger blood vessels in the area of a milk producing gland.

PS: I found numerous sites saying there have been studies showing that kittens spayed and neutered at 6 weeks have been successful and safe. :) Might be something to check out!

[ratbrat21]

oh ok....well i was sure my friend was right and this only proves it...so thanks for showing that to me. The people who get the kittens can get them fixed. Not unless i can find a cheap vet to do it for real cheap cuz we are already getting them their shots. And i wouldnt get a kitten fixed younger then 8 weeks maybe. As long as they are almost ready to wean. But i suppose 6 weeks could be ok. I personally wouldnt do it. I can possibly look into getting them fixed but i highly doubt it. I had to really talk hubby into getting the kittens shots.

[onebunnywuv]

If you're not going to get them fixed yourself, I'd highly suggest a contract stating that they have to get the cat fixed and (preferably) be able to provide proof (as in a copy of the vet bill/receipt). Otherwise I can see more and more kittens being born...

[ratbrat21]

yeah i will have to figure out something like that. Although the 2 people (jackie and lisa) that are getting kittens from me i trust and i know they will get them fixed. And if the people from our church want one i know they will too. But I will definatly screen people. I am super picky when finding homes for animals. In fact jeremy says i am to picky but i only want the best for them.



kinda offtopic a little but jackie if you see this are you sure you only want 1 kitten? I have a feeling he will get lonely without one of his brothers or sisters. Heck if you got 2 i would take them myself to get them fixed lol. I just am putting myself in the kittens place. I would hate to be alone. And being a kitten hes gonna be rowdy and all and be use to playing with one of his siblings....just a thought. Maybe talk with your boyfriend about it or something. :)